Veil or Valley?

[adrift]

I learned to say the Hail, Holy Queen in these two ways. When I say it now, I tend to use both words because I am really confused. I don’t know why there is a difference and I think the most popular way is veil.

If anyone has information on the two ways, I would like to hear it.

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve: to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus, O merciful, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary! Amen.

Hail, holy Queen of heaven, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears.Turn then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus, O merciful, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary! Amen.
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[SonCatcher]

Your quote has the correct spelling, but the thread title and survey have incorrect spellings.

“Vale” is a valley. It could also refer to the world. Definition.

I use either word in the prayer.

 

[exquisitor]

From the latin…

lacrimarum valle - valley of tears

 

[adrift]

Your quote has the correct spelling, but the thread title and survey have incorrect spellings.

“Vale” is a valley. It could also refer to the world. Definition.

I use either word in the prayer.

Yep your right

 

[thewanderer]

Your quote has the correct spelling, but the thread title and survey have incorrect spellings.

“Vale” is a valley. It could also refer to the world. Definition.

I use either word in the prayer.

Veil, however…

 

[LoyalViews]

Always learnt “vale”.

Only when I got EWTN on TV did I hear “valley” instead, but either is good because they’re both the same!

 

[gh4]

I’ve always said valley, though I have heard others say vale.

 

[ready]

Valley is just another way of saying vale. Valley, I believe, is a more modern term, though. Saying your prayer either way is fine.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I use “vale”

 

[sojo]

Vale and Valley both. But here’s the interesting thing - vale is pronounced the same as valley in Latin, more or less. It is NOT supposed to be pronounced the same as veil.

So the right answer was up in the poll - I say vale and valley and pronounced them pretty much the same. I would never say “veil” as that is not the correct word at all.

 

[Elizium23]

Vale and Valley both. But here’s the interesting thing - vale is pronounced the same as valley in Latin, more or less. It is NOT supposed to be pronounced the same as veil.

It is pronounced the same as veil. See the dictionary entry. For the record, I have always said “valley” and in our novena to Our Mother of Perpetual Help, the card has written “vale” but we all say “valley” anyway.

 

[sojo]

Vale can be pronounced both as “veil” and as “Valley”. In Latin, it is pronounced Valley. In ancient Roman Latin, more like Wah-ey. Americans tend to say “veil” I googled “vale” pronunciation and saw the Church Latin pronunciation as Vahl-EE. Locally, all I hear is “valley” here, but in San Francisco, I was more likely to hear it pronounced both ways.

Aside from pronunciation, the word means the same. Vale means Valley. The prayer means valley of tears, not veil.

Same discussion - I learned “blessed art thou among women,” for the Hail Mary but many churches are teaching the more modern, “blessed are you among women.” Same thing. Some folks get upset with those who use one way or another.