Verses on SIN

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OK, I dont know the bible well but in the past couple of years that I have been back to church and going faithfully to Mass every single day along with bible study, I am learning.

I am in a dicussion with someone about abortion which is really pushing me toward anger.

This person is not religious but thinks she knows how to interpret the bible.

She tells me that nowhere in the bible does it state where one sin is greater than the other except for the Blasohemy of oour Lord.

Can someone help me? Im not backing down from this moron who thinks its ok to kill a child.

What does the bible really say about sin? I know that according to our sins and repentence and such that we will go to Purgatory but is that in the bible as well?
 
In 1 John 5:16-17, John seems to mention two grades of sins, mortal and not mortal.

16If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

Scripture lists some serious sins that if done knowingly and wilfully (i.e., mortal sins) and if not repented of, will exclude one from heaven, such as:

If you would enter life, keep the commandments…You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 19:17-19)

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10):

8But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

St. Paul seems to speak of indeliberate sins (i.e., venial sins) when he says,
15I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. 17So then it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me.
 
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In 1 John 5:16-17, John seems to mention two grades of sins, mortal and not mortal.

16If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

Scripture lists some serious sins that if done knowingly and wilfully (i.e., mortal sins) and if not repented of, will exclude one from heaven, such as:

If you would enter life, keep the commandments…You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 19:17-19)

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10):

8But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

St. Paul seems to speak of indeliberate sins (i.e., venial sins) when he says,15I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. 17So then it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me.
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This is a good response. Veronica should be aware of the King James wording of the verses from 1 John. In other words, why doesn’t this person who sounds like a liberal activist Protestant know about a verse which actually deals with mortal sin and lesser sin???

The answer is that the verse reads like this, in the King James Bible…

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 1 John 5:16-17.
So, the word “mortal” does not actually appear, and Veronica’s friend will undoubtedly try to take advantage of this – they always do, since they are not listening to God, but trying to tell God what to tell them. But, the “bottom line” is that the verse squarely contradicts an assertion that there are not degrees of sin. Veronica’s friend is simply mortally wrong.
 
Wow, thank You to both of you. You both really took the time to help me out here and I ever so thankful.

Now i understand how they try to force their understanding, becasue they have different bibles. I thought they were all the same except for our Bibles having all of the books. Boy, do I still have a lot to learn.

God Bless
Donna
 
The Bibles aren’t so much different as they are different translations. Even Protestants have all sorts of different translations. For instance:

Act 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, (KJV)

Act 1:1 I wrote the first narrative, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach (HCSB)

Act 1:1 I have given an earlier account, O Theophilus, of all the things which Jesus did, and of his teaching from the first, (BBE)
 
Well, I went back to this thread(on another website) to post what you shared with me and I got very angry after another woman decided that since she was a “catholic” that is was ok to call the rest of us “Stupid Catholics”.

I was appalled and hurt. So hurt. This thread was basically about everyone out there feeling violated and feeling like we are pushing our Religion down others throats if a Catholic Pharmacist refuses to fill any of the BC scripts. Saying that if they cant do thier job then they should not practice medicine.

At that point, when we were called stupid, I told them I had the info they required but that they could go find it themselves.

I know that was wrong of me but calling us Stupid felt like a knife going through me.

I dont know if Im ready for these discussions yet.

God Bless
Donna
 
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