Very strange verses in Kings

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I’m currently reading the book of Kings. 2 Kings 23-24 is just bizarre. Elisha calling down a curse in the name of the Lord on boys for calling him ‘baldy.’ Then presumably God sent two bears to maul the 42 boys and I’m guessing kill them? God kills countless people in the Bible so I suppose this isn’t a surprise. I struggle with all the bloodshed though. Are we to not take this story literally? What lesson is it teaching?
 
So, I found an excerpt from an Evangelical source regarding this controversy. I’d love to find Catholic or Orthodox exegis on the topic, if anyone out there can supply it.
Problem: As Elisha was going up to Bethel, he was confronted by some young people who mocked him saying, “Go up, you baldhead!” When Elisha heard this, he turned and pronounced a curse on them, and two she-bears came out of the wood and mauled 42 of the young men. How could a man of God curse these young men for such a minor offense?

Solution: First of all, this was no minor offense, for these young men held God’s prophet in contempt. Since the prophet was God’s mouthpiece to His people, God Himself was being most wickedly insulted in the person of His prophet.

Second, these were not small, innocent children. They were wicked young men, comparable to a modern street gang. Hence, the life of the prophet was endangered by their number, the nature of their sin, and their obvious disrespect for authority.

Third, Elisha’s action was designed to strike fear in the hearts of any other such gang members. If these young gang members were not afraid to mock a venerable man of God such as Elisha, then they would have been a threat to the lives of all God’s people.

Fourth, some commentators note that their statements were designed to challenge Elisha’s claim to be a prophet. They were essentially saying, “If you are a man of God, why don’t you go on up to heaven like Elijah did?” The term “baldhead” might be a reference to the fact that lepers shaved their heads. Such a comment would indicate that these young men looked upon Elisha as a detestable outcast.

Fifth, it was not Elijah who took their lives, but God who alone could have providentially directed the bears to attack them. It is evident that by mocking this man of God, these young men were revealing their true attitudes toward God Himself. Such contempt for the Lord was punishable by death. The Scriptures do not say that Elisha prayed for this kind of punishment. It was clearly an act of God in judgment upon this impious gang.
This excerpt is from When Critics Ask: A Popular Handbook on Bible Difficulties (Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books, 1992). © 2014
 
Elisha and the Bears are a “Greatest Hits” topic on CAF. People constantly ask about it.
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Elisha and the Bears Apologetics
I recall reading in one of the book of Kings how Elisha the successor to the prophet Elijah was going up the mountain and children greeted him cries of “Go up bald head”,“Go up bald head”…he got angry and bears came and tore up the children:eek: I don’t understand what this is supposed to teach and is an impediment for my belief in scriptures.
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Why were 42 children slayed by the bears for saying Elisha was bald? Apologetics
How do we understand the Bible verse 2 Kings 2:23-25.
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Why did God send two bears to kill 42 children? Sacred Scripture
I came by this on a website. I’m not so sure what to think or what to say, so perhaps you can interpet it? This happened in: 2 Kings 2:23-24 (King James Version) 23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of t…
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2 Kings 2:23-25 Explanation Sacred Scripture
Just so we’re all on the same page… [bibledrb]4 Kings 2:23-25[/bibledrb] Tell him that’s what happens to kids who ridicule God.
Fr. Charles Grondin even wrote an official CAF Apologetics column on it.


I tend to lean towards the “allegory” explanation. It’s extremely out of character, unusual and probably impossible for two she-bears to maul 42 people to death. At most they would maul a few people to death while the other 39 or 40 people got away.
 
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I’m currently reading the book of Kings. 2 Kings 23-24 is just bizarre. Elisha calling down a curse in the name of the Lord on boys for calling him ‘baldy.’
God want’'s their souls to be saved and to eliminate evil since they were a sinful generations ,so that the people of God may bring them to repentance.

This is the consequences of hurting God’s Chosen and the the Lords’anointed Psalm 105:15 saying, “Do not touch my anointed ones;do my prophets no harm.”

They knew who he was ,and God knows the hearts and mind of people and they where evil and grow up to be wicked people.

wisdom 12:3 Those who lived long ago in your holy land 4 you hated for their detestable practices,their works of sorcery and unholy rites,5 their merciless slaughter[[a]of children,
and their sacrificial feasting on human flesh and blood.These initiates from the midst of a heathen cult,6 these parents who murder helpless lives,you willed to destroy by the hands of our ancestors,7 so that the land most precious of all to you might receive a worthy colony of the servants of God.8 But even these you spared, since they were but mortals,and sent wasps as forerunners of your army to destroy them little by little,9 though you were not unable to give the ungodly into the hands of the righteous in battle,or to destroy them at one blow by dread wild animals or your stern word.10 But judging them little by little you gave them an opportunity to repent,though you were not unaware that their origin was evil and their wickedness inborn,and that their way of thinking would never change.11 For they were an accursed race from the beginning,and it was not through fear of anyone that you left them unpunished for their sins.
 
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Trying to use allegory as a solution can easily backfire.
 
It wasn’t my idea to say it might be allegory, it was Fr. Grondin’s. I’m just saying I like it.

I think Fr. Grondin as an experienced apologist is able to suggest allegory as a possible explanation without it “backfiring”.

Regardless, the fact remains that two bears are not going to maul 42 people unless it’s a case of 42 people chained up immobile in one spot for hours. It’s simply not how bears behave and beyond the capability of only 2 bears.
 
Regardless, the fact remains that two bears are not going to maul 42 people unless it’s a case of 42 people chained up immobile in one spot for hours. It’s simply not how bears behave and beyond the capability of only 2 bears
It could be a supernatural event considering that they just conveniently showed up.
 
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It’s clear these are not typical bears. God Himself sent them after all, to avenge Elisha being called baldy. Mailing 42 boys to death for a verbal teasing seems beyond the pale. Chalking it up to allegory is weak at best. God obviously had a reason for doing this, I just can’t grasp why such a severe punishment was necessary.
 
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Please reference the excerpt I provided above. It at least goes into some detail as to the potential “why”.

I was unoriginal in my response, because I had never encountered this story, to be honest.
 
Treating it as an allegory for the 42 young-adult youth gang mockers being cut off from their people/ abandoned in the wilderness is part of Jewish Talmudic tradition, as Fr. Grondin points out. Given that it’s Jewish scripture, I’m not sure why somebody who’s Catholic (not from a faith where the entire Bible gets taken absolutely literally always) reading it for apparently the first time would go, “Oh, that’s weak. It must absolutely be that two literal bears with superpowers given them by God popped out and killed everybody on the spot.”

If you want to take it literally, the point is obviously “don’t mock God’s prophets”. There is also a school of thought that Elisha himself was punished with illnesses due to his overreaction (see Fr. Grondin). Obviously if you’re going to take it literally then you’re going to have to deal with the idea of God punishing disrespect to his prophets harshly. Which isn’t so different from our current idea that those who mock and reject God’s Messiah go to Hell for eternity.

I’m not really sure why, in the context of the overall bloody/ gory OT, this story is so unusual, especially once we’ve established that these aren’t little kids at play but rather young adults with no moral conscience according to the Jewish meaning of the word used.
 
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On the idea that it was possibly not a normal animal, you can look at St. John Bosco being protected from political gangs and assassins by a mysterious gray dog – that pretty much did not behave like a normal dog, did things no dog could do, and was only seen when needed.

If the Elisha passage was written about “evil young men attacked Elisha, and then a couple of angels in the form of she-bears slew them with their shiny teeth and swordlike claws, as a warning to all godless bandits,” nobody would argue about this as much.

Honestly, though, there is a history in the West, or at least in England, of using this passage as a warning to kids in school who are smartmouths, which is probably why it was translated in the KJV the way it was.

There is a Jewish commentary that says that they were wicked young men who made their living by hauling water from Bethel and selling it to travelers, because they could not drink from the deadly poisoned spring in the previous section. So when Elisha used blessed salt on the spring and made it drinkable, they resented the loss of cash; and because they were wicked, they hated God and Elisha.

Robert Alter has an essay in his Bible translation about the many uses of yeled (baby, child) and na’ar (young man, servant lad). These guys are of na’ar age, which in a strict sense means a guy old enough to marry. Sometimes it is used in a flattering sense for younger kids, but probably not here.
 
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I think people would still argue about it even if it were angels, because the reason people argue is they see God killing a whole bunch of “children” (for those who take the translation literally) over what by our standards today is a relatively minor offense.

Once you understand that these aren’t “children” and the offense is actually disrespect of God via disrespect of his prophet, it makes more sense. One can also accept the Jewish commentary suggesting that these young men did other bad things as well.

It is of course permissible to believe in literal bears with supernatural powers if one wishes, but the allegorical explanation actually makes more logical sense. Therefore, calling it “weak” doesn’t seem credible to me. But to each his own.
 
There is apparently a Hebrew joke in the text also, because a na’ar is etymologically a “growler.” So two growling dubbim took care of the 42 growlers.
 
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That’s really neat and I hadn’t heard it before. Thanks for posting that!

In case anyone missed it in the “Scenes from the OT” art thread, I will post here an artistic depiction of the story that I recently found online:

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I’m going to be picturing this (complete with the female bears being pink with long eyelashes) every time I hear about this story for probably forever now.
 
Using the story to scare kids actually turns out to be a modern thing, from about the 1600’s on. Primarily Protestants, and particularly in England and the US.

The history of Bible interpretation is weird.

Anyway, there are books about Bible use of animals and animal imagery online. Very interesting.
 
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Elisha was headed to Bethel. Bethel was one of two cities (the other being Dan) where Jeroboam set up golden idols of calves to lead Israel away from worship of God. Although the text is not explicit, Elisha was likely going to Bethel to execute his prophetic duty to speak against the idolatry being practiced there under the approval of the king of Israel. After leaving Bethel he went to Mount Carmel, another place associated with the worship of the Canaanite Baals. It seems to me these youth opposed Elisha as a prophet appointed by God, and likely because he was there to proclaim God’s word upon these idolatrous sites.
 
Yup, that seems to be the kind of place that Bethel was, by that point.

The big difficulty is that they are described as “qatannim,’” small. But there are a lot of full grown men in the Bible who are described that way, in terms of lack of importance or worthless character, like Hadad the Edomite who married a daughter of a Pharaoh.

Even yeled gets used for grown men, sometimes… And that is why it shows up in the next verse.
 
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