Vespers for Mary in the Breviary

[Christion]

I need to know the vespers for the following celebrations for Mary:

Our Lady of Fatima (May 13);
Mary, Mother of the Church (May/June…Monday after Pentecost);
Our Lady of Guadalupe (Dec 12).

Would someone, who has a modern Breviary, please tell me:
What are the proper antiphons for each celebration, or if the common antiphons (for Mary) are used?

 

[OraLabora]

Our Lady of Fatima: it’s a memorial without proper antiphons, so the psalmody and antiphons would be from the day of the week; the Gospel canticle antiphon would be from the Common of the BVM.

Mary, Mother of the Church: don’t know but as it’s a very new memorial from last year, I’m pretty sure it would all be from the Common of the BVM. Being a memorial without proper antiphons, the psalmody and antiphons would be from the current day.

Our Lady of Guadalupe is a feast in the Americas, but everything is from the Commons. Festival psalter would be used.

 

[Christion]

The information, that you provided, is much appreciated.
But, I will need to make sure that I am understanding correctly.

When you mention the psalmody being from the day of the week (or from the current day), do you mean that the psalms are from those that are appointed for the particular day on which the celebration for Mary also happens to occur?

But I thought that celebrations for the Blessed Virgin Mary were considered more important, and, for such celebrations, the Common psalms for Mary (not for the current day) were preferred.

I am thinking of vespers in terms of the classic Roman form (1962 or earlier), where there are five antiphons and psalms, which are later followed by an antiphon and the Magnificat.
I am not as familiar with any modern and shortened form.
(In my initial query, what I meant by “modern” Breviary is one which would be new enough to contain the more relatively recent celebrations in question. I assumed that the classic Roman form might still be shown as an option.)

It looks like all of these celebrations use the Common of the BVM, at both 1st & 2nd vespers,
for the antiphons and psalms, and for the antiphon at the canticle of the Magnificat.
Am I understanding correctly?

Just a few more thoughts:
I thought that Our Lady of Guadalupe was included in the General Roman Calendar
as an optional memorial, and also celebrated in North America.
Do you concur?
Also (for Our Lady of Guadalupe), I’m not sure what is meant by Festival psalter.
Does you mean Festival psalter is used in performance, as opposed to Solemn psalter?
I take it that, whatever the type of psalter is used in performance, the celebration still takes everything from the Common of the BVM.
Am I on the right track with my thinking?

Thanks so much for further clarification.

 

[OraLabora]

When you said “modern breviary” I assumed you meant Liturgy of the Hours. All three are recent additions (post-1970) to the calendar and as such do not have proper antiphons. Moreover they are not in the 1962 Breviary. Someone familiar with that breviary could tell you how to celebrate them, but they would not have proper antiphons there either because they are so new, so would have to be celebrated from the Common.

For the current LOTH you need to know the class of the celebration.

Our Lady of Fatima: optional memorial
Mary, Mother of the Church: obligatory memorial
Our Lady of Guadalupe: optional memorial, except in N. America, feast.

For optional and obligatory memorials without proper antiphons, the psalmody of the day is always used. By that I mean, if the memorial falls Tuesday of week III, you use the psalms of Tuesday of week III.

For feasts, the festival psalter is used, with the antiphons from the Common of the BVM.

The classification of feasts is different in the 1962 breviary, but being optional/obligatory memorials in the LOTH they are likely the lowest class (except for Guadalupe in N. America), which I believe is a memorial.

In the LOTH, you would take the following from the common for optional and obligatory memorials: the hymn, the reading, the responsory, the Gospel canticle antiphon, the intercessions, and the collect. The psalmody would be as I indicated, from the day. The BVM is no different, her memorials, feasts and solemnities follow the same structure as for all the other saints.

My suggestion is as usual, for users of the LOTH, to become familiar with the General Instruction. You can find it on line, or also in the first volume of the 4-volume set, or at the beginning of Christian Prayer (for those using English).

But I thought that celebrations for the Blessed Virgin Mary were considered more important, and, for such celebrations, the Common psalms for Mary (not for the current day) were preferred.

No, her celebrations follow the same rules. Her “specialness” is indicated by the sheer number of solemnities, feasts and memorials she has. Most saints have only one day dedicated to them in the General Roman Calendar. One (St. John the Baptist) has two, and there are a couple dedicated to Saints Peter and Paul. But Mary takes the prize. A quick count in my monastic breviary gave something like 15 celebrations of the BVM throughout the year.