Victim Souls - Traditional teaching?

[vames]

There is no such thing as Victim Soul.In the 2,000 years of Christianity^s existence,wild & wacky ideas come to the forefront sometimes & abuses take place.Whether its the medeval belief that whipping yourself till you bleed is pleasing to God or that pursuit of suffering is of God^s pleasue. Clothing the naked,helping the poor,visting widows or the lonely,forgiving your brethren etc is what God calls u to do.James teaches that true religion is what I just said. Penance is to be done in a healthy reasnable manner.That is what is pleasing to God

Indeed! I thought to harm youself/to neglect your health = sin against the 5th Commandment. At least this is what I’ve been taught since childhood.
Besides, to claim that new sufferings of innocents are needed to appease God’s wrath is simply to deny the value of Jesus Christ’s suffering. As He were just a weird masochist, interesting enough to be considered a role model, but whose teaching is completely ignored when it comes to the SATISFACTORY role of His crucification.

Hebrews 7:23-28

Furthermore, the former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office; but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues for ever. Consequently he is able for all time to save those who approach God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

For it was fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, blameless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he has no need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for those of the people; this he did once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests those who are subject to weakness, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect for ever.

 

[Mike30]

I would reccommend that the OP read the story of the life of Saint Bernadette, who is in my opinion a perfect example of one who willingly and lovingly accepts suffering for the sins of the world. Remember Our Lady told her “I cannot promise you happiness in this world but only in the next”. Bernadette herself said that her vocation while a religious was to suffer and be sick.

And boy, did she ever suffer.

 

[kalbertone]

So Christ died in vain ?His sacrifice was imperfect so we need another saviour like Bernadette.There^s a a difference between a call for penance & praying for others then thinking you yourself are a redeemer.If that were the case,all people had to do before CHRIST is seek suffering for redemption,forget about Jesus CHRIST THE SAVIOUR:

 

[kalbertone]

Indeed! I thought to harm youself/to neglect your health = sin against the 5th Commandment. At least this is what I’ve been taught since childhood.
Besides, to claim that new sufferings of innocents are needed to appease God’s wrath is simply to deny the value of Jesus Christ’s suffering. As He were just a weird masochist, interesting enough to be considered a role model, but whose teaching is completely ignored when it comes to the SATISFACTORY role of His crucification.

I agree,theres a difference between penance for yourself & praying for others–offering & participating in a mass,almsgiving,prayers,maybe a bit of fasting etc then neglecting your health,torturing yourself because your another redeemer.Not even our BLESSED
VIRGIN MOTHER—Our Lady herself did that,nor the apostles.Christ healed big time in the gospel,God delivered & rescued big time in the old Testament

 

[Crescentinus]

Hmmmm, this thread is interesting. o: