Video of real presence- eucharistic miracle

[sancte_joseph]

There’s never been any doubt in any of the Eastern Churches that the Bread and Wine become the Body and Blood of Christ.

This was only in the West, starting with Berengarius, and continued by the Reformers.

But some further reflections:

Why did the accidents of this host change to those of cardiac tissue?

How can science determine whose it is? There is, so far as I can tell, no laboratory test for the presence of Jesus Christ. (This is one of the limitations of STURP 31 years ago.)

Are we to believe that scattered throughout the earth even now are bits of Christ’s physical body? How does this affect His Resurrected, glorified Body in Heaven? Are there suddenly holes in it?

Since Our Lord has human and divine natures united in one Person never to be mingled or separated, does this mean that a fragment of His physical body has some localized portion of the divine nature? If so, how can God be divided into portions?

Ultimately, it boils down to this. Which is the greater miracle: that somehow there are pieces of Christ’s physical body (from whatever source) on earth, or that the ENTIRE Christ (as the Latin formula puts it, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity) can be received under the appearances of bread and wine?

The greater miracle is of course the miracle that happens at EVERY mass…
but these smaller miracles just help reaffirm the belief that yes that is Christ body… for those who do not believe… so that God may be justified when HE gives sentence and be without reproach when HE judges

 

[Frbrendan]

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This is an amazing 9 minute video of Jesus’ Real Presence - a Eucharistic miracle that’s worth watching. To the believer, no proof is necessary; to the unbeliever, no proof is enough.

youtube.com/watch?v=qbg_dhI4XCs

God bless.

I watched the video and did some research. Unfortunately, I cannot attest to the miraculous nature of the substance shown in the video.

First of all, there is no chain of evidence. In order for a bullet to be considered a valid piece of evidence, it must be signed for by the doctor, and then, in an unbroken chain, signed for by every person that has had the bullet in their hands. From what I understood from the video, there was no unbroken chain of evidence from Host to this person giving the presentation, then to Dr. Zugibe and back.

Second. There is a picture of the heart muscle (with no indication of magnification) in the video. After comparing this picture to pictures of other heart muscles, it is difficult, at best to see the resemblance. It looks more like dog heart muscle than human heart tissue. You can compare pictures of human and dog heart muscle at this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_muscle and then compare to the picture in the video. Which one does it most resemble?

I understand that this is a private revelation, and I do not have to believe it. So I won’t. Some less charitable might call this a hoax, or fraud. After all, it does seem to me that this guy is giving this presentation to sell books.

 

[sancte_joseph]

I watched the video and did some research. Unfortunately, I cannot attest to the miraculous nature of the substance shown in the video.

First of all, there is no chain of evidence. In order for a bullet to be considered a valid piece of evidence, it must be signed for by the doctor, and then, in an unbroken chain, signed for by every person that has had the bullet in their hands. From what I understood from the video, there was no unbroken chain of evidence from Host to this person giving the presentation, then to Dr. Zugibe and back.

Second. There is a picture of the heart muscle (with no indication of magnification) in the video. After comparing this picture to pictures of other heart muscles, it is difficult, at best to see the resemblance. It looks more like dog heart muscle than human heart tissue. You can compare pictures of human and dog heart muscle at this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_muscle and then compare to the picture in the video. Which one does it most resemble?

I understand that this is a private revelation, and I do not have to believe it. So I won’t. Some less charitable might call this a hoax, or fraud. After all, it does seem to me that this guy is giving this presentation to sell books.

He used to be atheist and the english subtitles don’t really express how he feels about it… sometimes the english was way off…

 

[Guyonthestreet]

The greater miracle is of course the miracle that happens at EVERY mass…
but these smaller miracles just help reaffirm the belief that yes that is Christ body… for those who do not believe… so that God may be justified when HE gives sentence and be without reproach when HE judges

When non catholics who do not believe in the real presence beat down on catholics for their believe in the real presence, part of the argument goes the canabilistic route.

This video just seems to play into that. So the host contains real human heart muscle

I understood it contained, by virtue of a sacred mystery, the body blood soul and divinity of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ.

It just seems all wrong to me, and a bit nasty.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

There’s never been any doubt in any of the Eastern Churches that the Bread and Wine become the Body and Blood of Christ.
Neither in the West, but some individuals have needed their faith to be reinforced and sometimes God has given a sign.

This was only in the West, starting with Berengarius, and continued by the Reformers.
In one of the older Eucharistic miracles mentioned, the priest didn’t doubt the Real Presence. He was bi-ritual and when celebrating mass, he had some doubt that the host became Jesus’ body and blood at the words of institution in the Latin rite since that isn’t the case in the Divine Liturgy as I understand it.

But some further reflections:

Why did this host not dissolve in the ablutions cup? If it were valid matter, it would have done so.
Yes, it was identical to the other hosts and would have dissolved if God hadn’t intervened. That He did intervene was the miracle.

Why did the accidents of this host change to those of cardiac tissue?
God did it as a sign for unbelievers and to confirm the faith of believers.

How can science determine whose it is? There is, so far as I can tell, no laboratory test for the presence of Jesus Christ. (This is one of the limitations of STURP 31 years ago.)The science didn’t determine whose it was. Science only determined that it was cardiac tissue and that it was from the same person as the tissue from one of the earlier miracles. And that the person had been badly beaten before he died.

Are we to believe that scattered throughout the earth even now are bits of Christ’s physical body? How does this affect His Resurrected, glorified Body in Heaven? Are there suddenly holes in it? No. Only God knows the answer to this.

Since Our Lord has human and divine natures united in one Person never to be mingled or separated, does this mean that a fragment of His physical body has some localized portion of the divine nature? If so, how can God be divided into portions?
How can Jesus be present whole and entire in each host? We can not understand this mystery which we experience at every mass. So how can we understand why and how there are Eucharistic miracles?

Ultimately, it boils down to this. Which is the greater miracle: that somehow there are pieces of Christ’s physical body (from whatever source) on earth, or that the ENTIRE Christ (as the Latin formula puts it, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity) can be received under the appearances of bread and wine? The Eucharistic mystery is greater and we can depend on this. But I also think God does the Eucharistic miracles at His pleasure and there is a purpose for them although I don’t understand them.

 

[bpbasilphx]

The Eucharistic mystery is greater and we can depend on this. But I also think God does the Eucharistic miracles at His pleasure and there is a purpose for them although I don’t understand them.

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**I think Fr. Brendan put it best: This is a private revelation, and we’re not required to believe them. Therefore I’m quite reasonable in not doing so.

One thing: In your mention of a “bi-ritual” priest, that was an unknown concept at the time of this reputed occurrence. A visiting priest simply followed the use of the place where he was. And there was no such thing as the “Order of St. Basil the Great” at this time, either. One was simply a monk or nun of a given monastery. This is still the practice among Orthodox.**

 

[aarontassin]

I’m saying, along with the Church, that if something does not look like bread and wine, it’s not the Eucharist.

Remember, the Eucharist is the substance of the ENTIRE Christ, not just bits of His presumed physical body.

What this video is showing bears no resemblance to bread or wine, and therefore not the Eucharistic Christ.

From what I noticed… It used to be bread and wine… Too bad it turned to flesh and blood huh? I don’t understand what you are trying to say. It sounded as if you were trying to say something dinvinely philisophical but… yea i got nothin. Well except for “bits” of information. I think you missed the miracle.

 

[aarontassin]

I watched the video and did some research. Unfortunately, I cannot attest to the miraculous nature of the substance shown in the video.

First of all, there is no chain of evidence. In order for a bullet to be considered a valid piece of evidence, it must be signed for by the doctor, and then, in an unbroken chain, signed for by every person that has had the bullet in their hands. From what I understood from the video, there was no unbroken chain of evidence from Host to this person giving the presentation, then to Dr. Zugibe and back.

Second. There is a picture of the heart muscle (with no indication of magnification) in the video. After comparing this picture to pictures of other heart muscles, it is difficult, at best to see the resemblance. It looks more like dog heart muscle than human heart tissue. You can compare pictures of human and dog heart muscle at this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_muscle and then compare to the picture in the video. Which one does it most resemble?

I understand that this is a private revelation, and I do not have to believe it. So I won’t. Some less charitable might call this a hoax, or fraud. After all, it does seem to me that this guy is giving this presentation to sell books.

It looked just like pieces of human cardiac muscle tissue to me… Along with some blood cells. But I only aced Anatomy and Physiology 1 and 2 so what do I know? But in my uneducated opinion I would say it looked pretty human to me. May wanna take a sample of yours. It would probably look like a dog heart lol… Forgive me I couldn’t resist. You set that one up perfectly.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Too bad it turned to flesh and blood huh?

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**The Eucharistic Body and Blood of Christ looks like bread and wine.

This does not look like either bread or wine.

Therefore it’s not the Eucharistic Body and Blood of Christ.

Whose body and blood it is (if anyone’s or anything’s) has not been established.

And since I don’t claim to be a comparative anatomist, I have no way of knowing.**

 

[Claire_from_DE]

The Eucharistic mystery is greater and we can depend on this. But I also think God does the Eucharistic miracles at His pleasure and there is a purpose for them although I don’t understand them.

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**I think Fr. Brendan put it best: This is a private revelation, and we’re not required to believe them. Therefore I’m quite reasonable in not doing so.

One thing: In your mention of a “bi-ritual” priest, that was an unknown concept at the time of this reputed occurrence. A visiting priest simply followed the use of the place where he was. And there was no such thing as the “Order of St. Basil the Great” at this time, either. One was simply a monk or nun of a given monastery. This is still the practice among Orthodox.**

Then ‘bi-ritual’ was the wrong term to use. It was a priest following the usage of the place. He was ministering to Latin rite Catholics but had an Eastern background. I didn’t say anything about an order of St. Basil the Great so I don’t understand your reference. I agree with you that we aren’t required to believe in Eucharistic miracles (except for the one that happens every day and which is waay more than we could ever have asked for!).

 

[Claire_from_DE]

He used to be atheist and the english subtitles don’t really express how he feels about it… sometimes the english was way off…

I know enough Spanish to be able to follow what he was saying and his emotion really came through. I don’t feel the need for Eucharistic miracles and, as another poster said, they used to seem a bit nasty to me. Like, wasn’t the Eucharist itself enough of a miracle?! But I’ve gradually become convinced that they are real and God does them for a reason. Jesus telling Thomas to put his hand into the wound in Jesus’ side is kind of icky too.

The man in the video wasn’t trying to promote a book, he was sharing something that amazed him and convinced him of God’s power and that in the Eucharist we really receive Jesus’ flesh and blood although we perceive only bread.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Too bad it turned to flesh and blood huh?

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The Eucharistic Body and Blood of Christ looks like bread and wine. yes

This does not look like either bread or wine.true

Therefore it’s not the Eucharistic Body and Blood of Christ.agreed, it was the Eucharist but has been changed. But I think only God has the power to do that since Satan could move someone to desecrate the Eucharist but he couldn’t change it.

Whose body and blood it is (if anyone’s or anything’s) has not been established. If God has changed it, we could speculate that the tissue would belong to Jesus.

And since I don’t claim to be a comparative anatomist, I have no way of knowing.

We have no obligation to accept that this has happened or to believe that it is miraculous. You are exercising prudence. We are free to use our judgment and should guard against being taken in by a hoax. I would rather see someone skeptical about such things instead of being overly credulous. If someone based their belief on some alleged miracle which was then proven to be false, their faith could be destroyed. Our faith should be in Jesus’ word passed down by the church.

 

[StrawberryJam]

I’ve seen other sites with this type of thing. If there was a way to have this tested in lab conditions, and under proper observation along the way, I would be much more interested in this. As it stands, I’ll just keep going to mass when I can and try to absorb information here and other places before even going into any of the claimed miracles. There is just no reason for these miracles that I can see.

 

[josie_L]

I’ve seen other sites with this type of thing. If there was a way to have this tested in lab conditions, and under proper observation along the way, I would be much more interested in this. As it stands, I’ll just keep going to mass when I can and try to absorb information here and other places before even going into any of the claimed miracles. There is just no reason for these miracles that I can see.

You might be interested in learning about the Lanciano miracle as it was tested by the WHO (world health organization). Check it up on google.

 

[Gertabelle]

I’ve seen other sites with this type of thing. If there was a way to have this tested in lab conditions, and under proper observation along the way, I would be much more interested in this. As it stands, I’ll just keep going to mass when I can and try to absorb information here and other places before even going into any of the claimed miracles. There is just no reason for these miracles that I can see.

IF this is a miracle, then the reason behind it of course would be one of God’s own design. Thankfully, in the Catholic Church we are not required to believe any of these events, even after the Church gives its official okey-dokey.

Personally, I’m not interested in miracles posted on YouTube, and I think they do more harm than good. I think your skepticism is a good thing in this instance (not that my opinion matters).

God bless you in your “absorbing information.”

Gertie