Virgin Mary

[Churchman25]

Since the virgin Mary is not mentioned alot in the new testament how have we come to know her as the Queen of Heaven if she are not mentioned alot?

 

[MorEphrem]

Scripture, while a very important part of the Tradition of the Church, is not the sole nor primary source of authority for the Church. While “Queen of Heaven” is a later development and can be more aptly expounded by someone of the Western tradition, veneration of the Virgin Mary is something attested to since the earliest centuries of the Church (e.g. the Assumption was one of the first major universal feasts of the Church).

Scripture is not exhaustive (though it does mention she is the Mother of God). Our holy Apostolic Tradition teaches us that Mary has a very particular and favored position amongst saints to the point she is the perfect epitome of a Christian and greatest intercessor. From there, there were further pietistic developments.

 

[jlhargus]

Since the virgin Mary is not mentioned alot in the new testament how have we come to know her as the Queen of Heaven if she are not mentioned alot?

[2Sam 7:12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers **I will raise up your offspring after you who shall come forth from your body and I will establish his kingdom 13 He shall build a house for my name and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure for ever before me your throne shall be established for ever]

[Lk1:31 And, behold, **thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.] If Jesus is son of David and king in David’s line then his mother is Gebirah, queen mother in the Davidic Kingdom.

[1Chron29:23 Then **Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him. 24]

[1Kgs2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And **the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king’s mother, and she sat on his right hand.] Soloman the son of David set a throne for his mother as did all those sons of David and kings in David’s line from Soloman on.

Jer 52:1 Zedikiah was twenty-one years old when he became king, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem. his mother’s name was Hamutal, daughter of Jeremiah of Libnah. See also 2Kgs8:26, 2Kgs21:1.

[Jer 44:9 Have you forgotten the wickedness committed by your fathers and by **the kings and queens of Judah and the wickedness committed by you and your wives in the land of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem?]

[Jer 13:18 Say to **the king and to the queen mother, Come down from your thrones, for your glorious crowns will fall from your heads. 19 The cities in the Negev will be shut up, and there will be no one to open them. All Judah will be carried into exile, carried completely away.] see 2Kings25:1-26.

Despite the wickedness of some of the kings and queen mothers. Jeremiah calls both the king and queen mother’s crowns glorious. No prophet ever spoke against the office of queen mother.

Mk10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.

[1Kgs8:20 And the Lord hath performed his word that he spake, and **I am risen up in the room of David my father, and sit on the throne of Israel, as the Lord promised, and have built an house for the name of the Lord God of Israel. 21 And b]I have set there a place for the ark, wherein is the covenant of the LORD, which he made with our fathers, when he brought them out of the land of Egypt.] Christ the king and Son of David sets a place for the Ark, Mary. His mother, queen mother, in the new regenerated spiritual kingdom of David, spiritual Israel.

[Rev 11:19 And **the temple of God was opened in heaven and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament and there were lightnings and voices and thunderings and an earthquake and great hail. Rv12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and upon her head a crown of twelve stars 2 And she being with child cried travailing in birth and pained to be delivered]

The woman, Rv12:1 is a person=Mary, symbolic of the Church, Old and New Covenant people of God. Twelve stars, universal queen, queen mother. The red dragon, Rv1:3, is a person and symbolic of governments and orgainizations that persecute the Church throughout the ages. The man child, to rule all nations, Rv12:5, is a person=Christ. [Symbolic of all persons. JPII The Gospel of Life. Chapter 104.]

[Lk22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. 29 And ** I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 31 And the Lord said, Simon,Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.]

 

[HelenRose]

Since the virgin Mary is not mentioned alot in the new testament how have we come to know her as the Queen of Heaven if she are not mentioned alot?

Revelations 12:1
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“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.”*

Revelations 12:3-5

3Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon with seven heads, ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars from the sky, tossing them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman as she was about to give birth, ready to devour her child as soon as He was born. 5And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.…

At the marriage in Cana Jesus performed His first miracle because of her request.

 

[phil19034]

During the time of the Jewish Kingdom of David & Solomon (plus in other cultures), the King’s mother was the ranking Queen. Meaning, the King’s wife(s) didn’t have the political power of Queen, that rested with the King’s Mother.

This was especially helpful in cultures where the King may have had more than one wife.

Regardless, that was the way it was.

So the logic goes like this:
– If God is King of Heaven (which he is)
– And if Mary is the Mother of God (which she is, because Jesus is God)
– Then, Mary is the Queen of Heaven because she is the Mother of God.

Plus, as others have mentioned, there are Scriptural references in Revelation and in the Old Testament which backs this logic.

I pray this is helpful. God Bless.

 

[SJacob7]

There are only a few times in the OT (all in Jeremiah) that the term ‘queen of heaven’ is used. All of them referencing a pagan goddess. Personally, I have a hard time calling Mary this. But don’t yell at me, it’s just my way of thinking.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses in the ancient Mediterranean and Near East, in particular Anat, Isis, Innana, Astarte, Hera and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). Elsewhere, Nordic Frigg also bore this title.[citation needed] In Greco-Roman times Hera, and her Roman aspect Juno bore this title. Forms and content of worship varied. In modern times, the title “Queen of Heaven” is still used by contemporary pagans to refer to the Great Goddess, while Catholics and Orthodox Christians now apply the ancient pagan title to Mary, the mother of Jesus.

 

[phil19034]

There are only a few times in the OT (all in Jeremiah) that the term ‘queen of heaven’ is used. All of them referencing a pagan goddess. Personally, I have a hard time calling Mary this. But don’t yell at me, it’s just my way of thinking.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses in the ancient Mediterranean and Near East, in particular Anat, Isis, Innana, Astarte, Hera and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). Elsewhere, Nordic Frigg also bore this title.[citation needed] In Greco-Roman times Hera, and her Roman aspect Juno bore this title. Forms and content of worship varied. In modern times, the title “Queen of Heaven” is still used by contemporary pagans to refer to the Great Goddess, while Catholics and Orthodox Christians now apply the ancient pagan title to Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Well, we have to remember that when the Old Testament was written, there was NOT Queen of Heaven. Mary was not born yet, and therefore had not given birth to God Incarnate.

 

[Hatikvah]

Scripture is not exhaustive (though it does mention she is the Mother of God). Our holy Apostolic Tradition teaches us that Mary has a very particular and favored position amongst saints to the point she is the perfect epitome of a Christian and greatest intercessor. From there, there were further pietistic developments.

Though I’m actually not against the idea of Mary’s intercession, and the denial of her title, Theotokos, is a relic of Nestorianism (which would be to say that the two natures of Jesus are not united, but that Mary only bore His human nature), where does Sacred Scripture refer to her being the Mother of God?

Also, there have been more recent (context: to living saints and clerical folk) apparitions of Mary to saints. Some have been accepted, some not, but most are already ingrained into the culture of the regions in which they are commonly believed.

I’m dubious on the matter, but that’s just me.

 

[MorEphrem]

Though I’m actually not against the idea of Mary’s intercession, and the denial of her title, Theotokos, is a relic of Nestorianism (which would be to say that the two natures of Jesus are not united, but that Mary only bore His human nature), where does Sacred Scripture refer to her being the Mother of God?

It can be inferred from Scripture in two ways if one has a proper hermeneutic when reading Scripture. First, if one properly understands the claim in the Gospel that Jesus is the Son of God isn’t a vague subordinationist claim but it is more an explicit idiomatic expression that He is also God since He is begotten of the Father (hence why the Sandrine accuses Him of blasphemy). If Mary bore Christ, who is God, then she is the Mother of God. If you read the epistles of Nestorius, even he did not deny Mary was the Mother of God but preferred the term Christokos because he wanted to emphasize that the divine nature of Christ was not generated through a human (the Christological controversies are always terribly over-simplified). Anyway, I meant this is implicitly indicated in Scripture; Mary is not explicitly called “Mother of God” - however, it is a very straightforward inference.

Second, another part of the hermeneutic of Scripture is typological reading, which is pretty widely attested to since Church Fathers began commenting upon Scripture (of course the Alexandrian school is well-known for its allegory-heavy interpretative method but typology is a universal part of Scriptural hermeneutic). Patristic examples of this specifically relating to Mary being the Mother of God are the Fleece of Gideon, the Jar of Elisha, the cloud in Isaiah, the stone not cut by human hands in Daniel, the burning bush in Exodus, Noah’s ark and Jacob’s ladder in Genesis, the ark of the covenant in general, Ezekiel’s closed gate, etc. While typology is usually dismissed as only a literary interpretation, that is rather disingenuous seeing as how it is so integral and long attested to within the Church by major theologians - essentially mostly any Church Father/Doctor of the Church one can think of (and typology, of course, is the demonstration of the Christological fulfillment of the OT).

Also, there have been more recent (context: to living saints and clerical folk) apparitions of Mary to saints. Some have been accepted, some not, but most are already ingrained into the culture of the regions in which they are commonly believed.

I’m dubious on the matter, but that’s just me.

That’s fine. I’m not terribly convinced of many of them myself.

 

[phil19034]

Though I’m actually not against the idea of Mary’s intercession, and the denial of her title, Theotokos, is a relic of Nestorianism (which would be to say that the two natures of Jesus are not united, but that Mary only bore His human nature), where does Sacred Scripture refer to her being the Mother of God?

Also, there have been more recent (context: to living saints and clerical folk) apparitions of Mary to saints. Some have been accepted, some not, but most are already ingrained into the culture of the regions in which they are commonly believed.

I’m dubious on the matter, but that’s just me.

Scripture doesn’t say Trinity either. The Marian Dogmas and titles have more to do with Christ than with Mary herself. Mary always teaches us about her Son. If one is not willing to call Mary The Mother of God, then it most likely means they don’t have a deep understanding of the Divinity of Christ. Jesus isn’t half God and half man, He is fully God and fully man. So if Jesus is fully God, then Mary is the Mother of God.

Again, these titles are not really Mary, but rather her Son.

 

[detoutcoeur]

Encyclical of Pope Pius XII, Ad Caeli Reginam **w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_11101954_ad-caeli-reginam.html
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[JB_Brother_4446]

Though I’m actually not against the idea of Mary’s intercession, and the denial of her title, Theotokos, is a relic of Nestorianism (which would be to say that the two natures of Jesus are not united, but that Mary only bore His human nature), where does Sacred Scripture refer to her being the Mother of God?

Also, there have been more recent (context: to living saints and clerical folk) apparitions of Mary to saints. Some have been accepted, some not, but most are already ingrained into the culture of the regions in which they are commonly believed.

I’m dubious on the matter, but that’s just me.

“How can this happen that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?”

 

[Todd977]

There are only a few times in the OT (all in Jeremiah) that the term ‘queen of heaven’ is used. All of them referencing a pagan goddess. Personally, I have a hard time calling Mary this. But don’t yell at me, it’s just my way of thinking.

I know what you mean. It is my understanding that there are several words in Hebrew that can be translated as “queen.” The Hebrew word for “queen” used in Jeremiah (7:18; 44:17,18,19,25) to refer to pagan goddess, the queen of heaven, is mleketh. The Hebrew word for “queen” used in Jeremiah (13:8; 29:2) to refer to the queen, the Davidic king’s mother, is gbiyrah. So, when I hear the Virgin Mary called the Queen of Heaven, I think the *Gbiyrah *of Heaven.

 

[jlhargus]

There are only a few times in the OT (all in Jeremiah) that the term ‘queen of heaven’ is used. All of them referencing a pagan goddess. Personally, I have a hard time calling Mary this. But don’t yell at me, it’s just my way of thinking.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses in the ancient Mediterranean and Near East, in particular Anat, Isis, Innana, Astarte, Hera and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). Elsewhere, Nordic Frigg also bore this title.[citation needed] In Greco-Roman times Hera, and her Roman aspect Juno bore this title. Forms and content of worship varied. In modern times, the title “Queen of Heaven” is still used by contemporary pagans to refer to the Great Goddess, while Catholics and Orthodox Christians now apply the ancient pagan title to Mary, the mother of Jesus.

[2Sam 7:12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers **I will raise up your offspring after you who shall come forth from your body and I will establish his kingdom 13 He shall build a house for my name and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure for ever before me your throne shall be established for ever]

[Lk1:31 And, behold, **thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.] If Jesus is son of David and king in David’s line then his mother is Gebirah, queen mother in the Davidic Kingdom.

[1Chron29:23 Then **Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him. 24]

[1Kgs2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And **the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king’s mother, and she sat on his right hand.] Soloman the son of David set a throne for his mother as did all those sons of David and kings in David’s line from Soloman on.

Jer 52:1 Zedikiah was twenty-one years old when he became king, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem. his mother’s name was Hamutal, daughter of Jeremiah of Libnah. See also 2Kgs8:26, 2Kgs21:1.

[Jer 44:9 Have you forgotten the wickedness committed by your fathers and by **the kings and queens of Judah and the wickedness committed by you and your wives in the land of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem?]

[Jer 13:18 Say to **the king and to the queen mother, Come down from your thrones, for your glorious crowns will fall from your heads. 19 The cities in the Negev will be shut up, and there will be no one to open them. All Judah will be carried into exile, carried completely away.] see 2Kings25:1-26.

Despite the wickedness of some of the kings and queen mothers. Jeremiah calls both the king and queen mother’s crowns glorious. No prophet ever spoke against the office of queen mother.

 

[jlhargus]

Though I’m actually not against the idea of Mary’s intercession, and the denial of her title, Theotokos, is a relic of Nestorianism (which would be to say that the two natures of Jesus are not united, but that Mary only bore His human nature), where does Sacred Scripture refer to her being the Mother of God?

[Jn1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and **the Word was God. 2-13 … 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

If the Word was God and made flesh then Mary is mother of God made flesh.

[1Jn4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.]

491

 

[The_Apostolate]

Mary , was made Queen of Heaven and Earth,by her loving son Jesus,it is know in the Glorious Mysteries the last decade,the Cor-ration which is is made Queen off Heaven and Earth. AMEN.Get a pamphlet on the Mysteries off the Rosary, then look it up on Wikipedia
and it will tell you about the" Cor ration"or Crowing in Heaven.
If you read , read “The Secret of the Rosary, written by Saint Louis DE Montfort”

 

[TheDoctor]

I know what you mean. It is my understanding that there are several words in Hebrew that can be translated as “queen.” The Hebrew word for “queen” used in Jeremiah (7:18; 44:17,18,19,25) to refer to pagan goddess, the queen of heaven, is mleketh. The Hebrew word for “queen” used in Jeremiah (13:8; 29:2) to refer to the queen, the Davidic king’s mother, is gbiyrah. So, when I hear the Virgin Mary called the Queen of Heaven, I think the *Gbiyrah *of Heaven.

This is the crux of it here. Remember that Christ is in the line of the Davidic Kings of Israel. At that time, a King could have many wives, so it is my understanding that the title of “Queen” was only used for the King’s mother. In the same way now as Christ is the King of Heaven, and Mary is His mother, Mary is properly the Queen of Heaven.

And that should give us comfort, that our biggest advocate in Heaven sits at the loving side of the King.

 

[The_Apostolate]

This is the crux of it here. Remember that Christ is in the line of the Davidic Kings of Israel. At that time, a King could have many wives, so it is my understanding that the title of “Queen” was only used for the King’s mother. In the same way now as Christ is the King of Heaven, and Mary is His mother, Mary is properly the Queen of Heaven.

And that should give us comfort, that our biggest advocate in Heaven sits at the loving side of the King.

We know that Jesus is our King, but God choose Mary to be Queen of Heaven and Earth from the being, and God give Jesus the Honor to Crown her.