Virginia’s New Governor Attacked During Campaign For Being Catholic

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Democrat Kaine wins Virginia governor’s race, Corzine opens up lead in New Jersey

Tuesday, November 8, 2005

NEW YORK - Democrat Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine won the Virginia governor’s race, soundly defeating Republican Jerry Kilgore in a contest for a Republican-leaning state that was closely watched by political analysts for signs of the public’s mood ahead of next year’s midterm elections.

In Tuesday’s off-year elections, Democrats were looking to take advantage of turmoil in President George W. Bush’s Republican Party and gain momentum for next year’s election when control of Congress is at stake.

In New Jersey, the nation’s only other gubernatorial contest, Democratic Sen. Jon Corzine opened up a strong lead against Republican businesman Doug Forrester with a third of precincts counted.

Kilgore lost despite a last-minute Monday night rally with Bush and a harsh campaign ad that alleged that Kaine, a Roman Catholic opposed to the death penalty, would not have executed Adolf Hitler.

Kaine had 812,235 votes, or 51.2 percent, to Kilgore’s 737,747 votes, or 46.5 percent, with 82 percent of precincts reporting.

In New Jersey, Corzine had 413,431 votes, or 52.9 percent, and Forrester had 344,937 votes, or 44.1 percent.

WHEN WILL SUCH NONSENSE END!?
 
Kaine supports abortion and the death penalty. He said in a commercial that he won’t let his Catholic faith get in the way of his politics. If I were a resident of Virginia I would have voted for Kilgore.
 
Kilgore lost despite a last-minute Monday night rally with Bush and a harsh campaign ad that alleged that Kaine, a Roman Catholic opposed to the death penalty, would not have executed Adolf Hitler.

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Are you kidding me? Did this really happen? I never saw that ad and I live in that area. Good on the voters for rejecting such claptrap.
 
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StratusRose:
Kaine supports abortion and the death penalty. He said in a commercial that he won’t let his Catholic faith get in the way of his politics. If I were a resident of Virginia I would have voted for Kilgore.
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Stratus,

Good point. While many, and I am not one of them, Catholics would like to put the whole Kennedy family up for sainthood it was JFK who made it acceptable for Catholics to leave their Catholic faith, if they really had any to being with, at the door once they run for office.

At least Kaine is consistant. Death and Death. How many Catholic politicians support Abortion and weep crocodile tears over the Death Penalty and vice-versa?

Finally, so much for that myth of the boogeyman, which some priests in my diocese promulgate, of the “Religious Right.” Yesterdays election show that whether a voter practices his faith or not he can be just as pragmatic or fickle as the heathen.

AJC :banghead:
 
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StratusRose:
Kaine supports abortion and the death penalty. He said in a commercial that he won’t let his Catholic faith get in the way of his politics. If I were a resident of Virginia I would have voted for Kilgore.
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What is it about Kilgore that you liked. Is it enough that he is not Kaine?
I never supported the death penalty because it’s irretrivable action, however someone pointed out to me that a person can do a lot of damage from behind prison walls, they can influence younger prisoners, especially if they’re older and the younger inmates need a father figure, as in the case of the sniper from the washington dc area. Also, you can be putting the prison guards and staff in general at grave risk with certain people.
A person who rapes and kills a child has damaged our future.
In the case of some folks, I think it’s best to send them back to God, and let God deal with them. We obviously have no clue as to how to do so.
In the case of abortion, well, I’m resigned to the fact that whether abortions are legal and safe or illegal and unsafe that some women will want to go that route, trying to figure out how to stop them demands more than a law. Working to change a law is easy, getting to the heart and soul of a woman is harder, it demands intellect and patience and money, lots of money.
Also, we need to educate our boys about how precious the gift of life is, and how they shouldn’t just throw their sperm around to just anyone. That choosing the potential mother of their kid is
sacred.
 
Bottom line - It will be a cold, COLD day in Hell before I vote for a pro-choice candidate. I am against the death penalty but at least in some cases it is justifiable.
 
Wondering Waif:
In the case of some folks, I think it’s best to send them back to God, and let God deal with them. We obviously have no clue as to how to do so.
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Interesting, as this is precisely the argument some make to justify abortion. “I (or we as a society) can’t deal with this problem. Just send the child back to God and let Him take care of it, relieving us of the burden.”
 
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chicago:
Interesting, as this is precisely the argument some make to justify abortion. “I (or we as a society) can’t deal with this problem. Just send the child back to God and let Him take care of it, relieving us of the burden.”
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Agreed. And who are we to decide whom to “send back to God?”
 
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chicago:
Interesting, as this is precisely the argument some make to justify abortion. “I (or we as a society) can’t deal with this problem. Just send the child back to God and let Him take care of it, relieving us of the burden.”
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I know, but a child is innocent, there are certain crimes that we just don’t deal with appropriately, the last three cases I’ve heard of where a child has been abducted and murdered the child was the victim of a KNOWN sex offender, what’s your solution?
 
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StratusRose:
Agreed. And who are we to decide whom to “send back to God?”
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It takes a lot of thought and prayer, that’s for sure. But right now the guy who abducted that little girl named Carly and raped and murdered her and we have the abduction on tape and his semen was found on her little body, I have no issue with sending him back
to God. Do you honestly think that this person should be allowed into any society? Even a prison society where he’ll get food, shelter and clothing and medical care for the rest of his life-not to mention access to other young people who are also incarcerated?
We don’t know HOW to fix these people, we let them back into society where they continue to prey on children.
By the way, I believe with all my heart that every aborted child goes back to God, where do you think the child goes?
 
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StratusRose:
Bottom line - It will be a cold, COLD day in Hell before I vote for a pro-choice candidate. I am against the death penalty but at least in some cases it is justifiable.
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When both candidates are pro-choice do you refrain from voting?
 
Wondering Waif:
Kilgore lost despite a last-minute Monday night rally with Bush and a harsh campaign ad that alleged that Kaine, a Roman Catholic opposed to the death penalty, would not have executed Adolph Hitler.
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Politicians like him and that John Kerry Puke give Catholics a bad name. If they aren’t going to participate in the faith why do they proclaim their alliance to it, to get votes? I only vote Pro-Life.
Always choose life…… death is the only thing you can’t get out of.
Code: 
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David
 
Vatican Cardinal: Catholic Voters Can Never Be Justified in Voting for Pro-Abortion Politicians
lifesite.net/ldn/2005/oct/05100602.html
**ROME, October 6, 2005 (CWNews.com/LifeSiteNews.com) - The president of the Pontifical Council for Health Care has stated flatly that Catholics cannot, in conscience, support a politician who favors legal abortion.

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan made his remarks in an interview with the Italian daily La Repubblica. He was responding indirectly to an intervention by Archbishop William Levada during the discussions of the Synod of Bishop. Archbishop Levada-- the American prelate recently chosen by Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) to be prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith-- had asked other prelates to reflect on the question that had divided the US hierarchy during the 2004 election year: How bishops should respond to Catholic politicians who support abortion.

“A Catholic cannot support a politician who presents abortion as a general norm,” said Cardinal Lozano. The Mexican prelate added that “a son of the Church cannot consider himself to be in full communion if he supports what the Church condemns.”…**
 
Wondering Waif:
When both candidates are pro-choice do you refrain from voting?
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There are more than 2 parties. If both Democrat or Republican are pro-choice they’re not getting my vote. I’d be willing to “throw my vote away” to a candidate that is pro-life. Pick up a Catholic Voter’s Guide.

In reference to your other response to me…read your Catechism.
 
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StratusRose:
There are more than 2 parties. If both Democrat or Republican are pro-choice they’re not getting my vote. I’d be willing to “throw my vote away” to a candidate that is pro-life. Pick up a Catholic Voter’s Guide.

In reference to your other response to me…read your Catechism.
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The Catholic Voter’s Guide was not sanctioned by the Church. I do read my Catechism. If you don’t vote, that’s okay by me, especially if you’re going to vote in opposition to my vote.

BTW, I could write a Voter’s Guide slap the word “catholic” on it and just as the authors of the that Voter’s Guide that you’re so taken with promote my personal political agenda, furthermore with the complexity of Canon Law I could be just as “accurate” as the
the other author was-don’t be so enthralled with everything you read.
 
I’m a Virginian, and the choice of candidates was a lose-lose proposition. Kaine may have a Catholic label, but he is not a Catholic. I would like to see the Church disown him, and any pro-death candidate. Admit that they have fallen away, and then call for their return. To say his Catholicism will not interfere with his politics is to say his faith does not “interfere” with his life. It is to say he has no faith, and his beliefs are for sale. These politicians are not leaders, they are followers of the party and the lobby that makes them. They give up Truth to gain position.
 
Wondering Waif:
The Catholic Voter’s Guide was not sanctioned by the Church. I do read my Catechism. If you don’t vote, that’s okay by me, especially if you’re going to vote in opposition to my vote.

BTW, I could write a Voter’s Guide slap the word “catholic” on it and just as the authors of the that Voter’s Guide that you’re so taken with promote my personal political agenda, furthermore with the complexity of Canon Law I could be just as “accurate” as the
the other author was-don’t be so enthralled with everything you read.
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Eh whatever. Believe what you want.
 
Wondering Waif:
I know, but a child is innocent, there are certain crimes that we just don’t deal with appropriately, the last three cases I’ve heard of where a child has been abducted and murdered the child was the victim of a KNOWN sex offender, what’s your solution?
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Keep the sex offender in jail, maybe?
 
I posted a poll on the death penalty – got some interesting replies – fwiw, the Pope himself spoke on the necessity of the death penalty – however, he did state he saw few and far between the cases that “call for it” – with the advent of technology and tracking etc, and hoped we could be rid of it completely some day, but that day has not yet arrived…so for Kaine to come out and say “I’m a catholic, and I think the death penalty is wrong” is just plain stupid…the Catholic church has said there is a need for it, so you can’t say “in accordance with the church, I think it’s wrong” – not sure I made that clear or not…lol…I just wanted to say “look buddy, if you’re going to pull the religion card and scavenge for votes based on your religious beliefs, at least flippin KNOW what your Pope has said on the subject…” – oy. The Pope also said our biggest enemy is the culture of death, and that it should be our first issue when deciding – that seemed pretty cut and dry for me. I will vote third party if need be – the least of the evils. if all the evils are pro-choice, I suppose I will not vote, but there is almost always a “lesser of the evils” – at least in my experience
 
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StratusRose:
Bottom line - It will be a cold, COLD day in Hell before I vote for a pro-choice candidate. I am against the death penalty but at least in some cases it is justifiable.
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On what grounds? Maybe the Catholic faith would seem more reliable to others is it’s followers had a bit of consistency in their beliefs instead of taking it onto themselves to decide when it’s ok to kill and when it isnt. If abortion is murder, the death penalty is murder. How can you just decide for yourself when a sin is ok?
 
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