Visiting son

[jcrichton]

The Church guides us in the interpretation of Scripture. The Church has not interpreted that Scripture to mean that we should take every opportunity to alienate ourselves from family members who are making sinful decisions. Rather, the Church has said that we should not cooperate with evil or encourage sin. Staying with her son does neither of those things.

Hi!

…let’s see if I can clarify this without having a detrimental imposition on your affinity to understand me… I did not create chaos, it was here before I was birthed; I did not create a division between Believers and non-Believers; that division was set by God.

Is the Church generous with her pronouncements? Yes. Sometimes even to a fault as we find “Catholics” practicing anything but the Word of God.

Is everyone here and elsewhere able to follow their own dictates? There are and they do.

Would I support/enable sin? No.

Must everyone hold the same understanding as I? No.

But to suggest that one could apply God’s Commands only when in the presence of Saints is both foolish and incorrect.

The Call is not to blend in; the Call is to Stand!:

15 I know all about you: how you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were one or the other, 16 but since you are neither, but only lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth.

(Apocalypse [Revelation] 3:15-16)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Prodigal_Son]

But to suggest that one could apply God’s Commands only when in the presence of Saints is both foolish and incorrect.

Yeah, well, I didn’t suggest that. And moreover, God never commanded us not to stay in the house of a person who was living in sin. Or if He did, I expect you to give me chapter and verse.

 

[jcrichton]

Yeah, well, I didn’t suggest that. And moreover, God never commanded us not to stay in the house of a person who was living in sin. Or if He did, I expect you to give me chapter and verse.

Hi!

…as I mentioned before; I do not expect anyone else to hold my understanding… but if you really want to ponder this issue, check this out:

11 ‘Whatever town or village you go into, ask for someone trustworthy and stay with him until you leave. 12 As you enter his house, salute it, 13 and if the house deserves it, let your peace descend upon it; if it does not, let your peace come back to you. 14 And if anyone does not welcome you or listen to what you have to say, as you walk out of the house or town shake the dust from your feet. 15 I tell you solemnly, on the day of Judgement it will not go as hard with the land of Sodom and Gomorrah as with that town. 16 Remember, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; so be cunning as serpents and yet as harmless as doves.

(St. Matthew 10:11-16)

• Jesus sends His disciples to the townships of Israel–sheep amongst wolves
• He Commands that they choose a trustworthy home/family (really, Jesus is rejecting sinners?)
• His disciples are to Bless the house–if it is not deserving of Blessing the Blessing will remain with the disciples
• if His disciples are not welcomed or their Teaching rejected they are to shake loose from their feet the dust–as judgment against the rejection of God
• the rejection of the Good News would bring greater Judgment than that suffered by Sodom and Gomorrah

…yeah, no ‘sin happy’ Commands.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Monica4316]

I think the issue with this might be the question: would this seem like support of what the son is doing. If this was me, I think I’d try to get a hotel and explain to the son that while I love him and want to spend time with him, I can’t agree with his cohabitation. But the rest of the time I’d just be with him and not talk about this constantly. (as this can have the reverse effect, but I’d try to explain why I’m against cohabitation).

There are reasons like possible future suffering, higher chance of divorce if the couple does marry (just according to the statistics though)… but also, I think a lot of people who cohabitate don’t understand what marriage is. They think it’s just a bit of paper. Maybe it could help if he understood what marriage is, how it mirrors Christ and the Church, how intimacy should go together with total commitment, how that actually leads to greater happiness for the spouses, etc.

People sometimes have the view that the Church’s position is just to control, they don’t see that it’s actually for the GOOD of the persons and that the alternative, only seems like “freedom”… it’s a common view today, I think, that freedom is to do what you want. But true freedom is only in Christ. Pray a lot for your son… he needs graces to see the truth of the faith, and that comes from prayer and sacrifices…

 

[jcrichton]

I think the issue with this might be the question: would this seem like support of what the son is doing. If this was me, I think I’d try to get a hotel and explain to the son that while I love him and want to spend time with him, I can’t agree with his cohabitation. But the rest of the time I’d just be with him and not talk about this constantly. (as this can have the reverse effect, but I’d try to explain why I’m against cohabitation).

Hi Monica!

I concur with you that this is the prudent way of engaging such situation (not confronting or bashing); since Jesus did not Pray that His Disciples be removed from the world but only that they be kept Safe, it is natural that Believers will encounter situations that are amoral and right out unrighteous… how we cooperate or refuse to cooperate with such encounters will not only set the tone for the relationship with those who hold other values but will determine and demonstrate if we are Standing for Christ or just coasting…

There are reasons like possible future suffering, higher chance of divorce if the couple does marry (just according to the statistics though)… but also, I think a lot of people who cohabitate don’t understand what marriage is. They think it’s just a bit of paper. Maybe it could help if he understood what marriage is, how it mirrors Christ and the Church, how intimacy should go together with total commitment, how that actually leads to greater happiness for the spouses, etc.

People sometimes have the view that the Church’s position is just to control, they don’t see that it’s actually for the GOOD of the persons and that the alternative, only seems like “freedom”… it’s a common view today, I think, that freedom is to do what you want. But true freedom is only in Christ. Pray a lot for your son… he needs graces to see the truth of the faith, and that comes from prayer and sacrifices…

Yet, this is, for the most part, perversion and obfuscation of the Truth; hollowood mumbo jumbo was used to convince the masses that the Sacrament of Marriage is futile; the reason why the Sacrament does not work, even for Catholics, is because of human abuse and lust–people seldom include God in the Union as they take all sorts of liberties to define “love” and “marriage.”

If this issue were to be researched it would be found that when egocentric values permeates society anything virtuous is rejected and maligned in order to allow for egotism to flourish.

…just check out the cultures of marketing and propaganda–they appeal to the ego by placing the “I” and “me” on a pedestal… then when the fools are bloated up they are sold anything and everything. Remember that first sale? "surely, you will not die; He is just afraid that you will become just as He!’ (paraphrased)

Maran atha!

Angel