Vocations and debt

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IF i were to go to college and then join a religious order (I am feeling drawn to the LOC or SJ) does anyone know, since there is the vow of poverty, if the oders allow the members a small stipend to pay down the debts incurred in their past?
I dont want to go to college and then have to wait sveral years to enter formation because i have to work off all my debt beforehand. i intend to try and keep student loans and such low, but i have never done this before, i have no idea what is going on.
 
I found this after a bit of searching on Google. It may not give you all the answers (I am surely no expert on this subject), but it may get you started. God bless you for thinking about vocations.
 
It depends on the specific policies of the order. We had a man at my parents parish years ago that was doing work for the pastor for a certain period of time and then the pastor was going to pay off all his education loans so he could join a religious order. So I’m guessing that whatever order he was going to wasn’t going to give him anything to pay down his debt.
 
Most orders (and dioceses for that matter) prefer you take care of debts (and any other major obligations) before entering.

(Why make the discernment process harder than it needs to be by adding the weight of “how can I take care of X” to the process?)
 
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Brain:
IF i were to go to college and then join a religious order (I am feeling drawn to the LOC or SJ) does anyone know, since there is the vow of poverty, if the oders allow the members a small stipend to pay down the debts incurred in their past?
I dont want to go to college and then have to wait sveral years to enter formation because i have to work off all my debt beforehand. i intend to try and keep student loans and such low, but i have never done this before, i have no idea what is going on.
Brian,
I have gone though a lot of this as I am discerning a calling to religious life and the priesthood.

Most orders require you to be free of debt before you can even start the pre-noviate (or postulancy) program.

Some orders will take you in if you have a student loan debt. While you are in the pre-noviate and up to you make your final vows, they will cover your payments and pay it off totally when you make the final vows. If you leave the order you will owe them what they have paid.

As for the Legion of Christ. If you finish college I doubt very much that they would be interested in you. They have a multi-year program where you do college with them.

I am going forward with the carmelites right now. Hope to apply soon as I have some debt I must clear up first.

Some diocese will give you a loan to pay off your debt, student loans can be deferred while you are in school. You will then owe the diocese for your seminary education (most make you pay for at least half of it) and any loan they gave you.
 
For those who are interested, I’ve head recently of the Laboure Foundation that assists with those who have vocations yet are burdened with student debt.

www.labourefoundation.org

In Christ,

MO Catholic
 
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davidc2:
Most orders (and dioceses for that matter) prefer you take care of debts (and any other major obligations) before entering.

(Why make the discernment process harder than it needs to be by adding the weight of “how can I take care of X” to the process?)
I don’t know that it makes the discernment process any more difficult. There seems to be some thought that one should “shoot striaght through”; but there is much that one could be invoilved in within the Church while working to take care of one’s debts.
 
Dear Brain

Why the rush?

It is far better to enter into Religious life with everything prepared beforehand. If this means you have to work to clear debts then you will grow in the virtue of patience and perseverance.

Your Vocation if it is a true Vocation will not fade away nor disappear if for a period of time you have to postpone your noviate in order to set your ‘house’ straight.

It may be necessary to get some help with paying off your debts, look into what your Diocese or the Order you intend to enter can do to help you with that, but I am inclined to err on the side that you remedy your debt situation as you have accrued it for whatever reason and it is your duty to resolve that before you enter into Religious life.

Don’t let the debt that you currently have deter you from entering into Religious Life, there will be many hurdles and difficulties, it really is just persevering through them.

If you don’t mind I will keep your Vocation in my prayers.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
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otm:
I don’t know that it makes the discernment process any more difficult. There seems to be some thought that one should “shoot striaght through”; but there is much that one could be invoilved in within the Church while working to take care of one’s debts.
I wish that some one advised me when I was contacting convents and looking at colleges to think about debt, but they didn’t. Every one said get education get work experience and then contact us again in five to ten years. Some of my education was paid for by scholarship, I worked the entire time while in school, and still had to recourse to student laons. I think I would have been okay, if I didn’t go to graduate school.

I also made a huge mistake in thinking that I should be doing some sort of worthwhile job, rather than something that paid the bills as quickly as posible. I was kind of trapped too, in that I had family members who needed assistance and I kind of fell into the role of family cash cow.

You are very, very wise to think about this now, because it seems that you hit maximum entrance age before you know it for many orders. Very few orders will consider you if you are not debt free. I have no credit card debt, but still my student loans are substantial. Some orders I have spoken to have told me that if you have student debt it must be a sign from God that religious life is not for you. I don’t fully believe that, but I jsut thought I’d warn you that this type of atitude exists.

I don’t know if I’ll get my student loans paid off before I hit maximum age to enter, but if you are male, then orders might be more flexible than what the are for females. Things got really bad for me, when I caught a freak illness that entailed many medical astronomical bills and no insurance, and blindness for a period of time.

When you are having dialouges with particular orders now, make sure you bring up this concern. Talk to priests if you are looking into the priesthood or nuns if you are looking into convents. One problem I have found is that there is such a huge age difference, that back when they went to school, most people could afford college.

Student loans seem to be a fairly recent obstacle, but people are finding creative solutions, and hopefully more options will be available in the future, as tuition costs sky rocket ever more out of the reach of normal families. I remember seeing a web site that a woman created who wanted to enter a Dominican contemplative order in Nashville, through which she was able to raise money to pay her student detbs. The Labore Foundation can help you if you lived in one place for a long time. They create accounts for people, and help solicit money from family, friends, acquaintances and organizations to help you pay off your student debts. You contibute to the account too.
 
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Brain:
IF i were to go to college and then join a religious order (I am feeling drawn to the LOC or SJ) does anyone know, since there is the vow of poverty, if the oders allow the members a small stipend to pay down the debts incurred in their past?
I dont want to go to college and then have to wait sveral years to enter formation because i have to work off all my debt beforehand. i intend to try and keep student loans and such low, but i have never done this before, i have no idea what is going on.
A priest once told me a vocation is a vocation, and STUDENT loan debt should not be made an an obstacle by religious orders. Many do tak up the student loans. I know some Benedictines, and Jesuit provinces do: speak to the vocation director, be honest.
 
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otm:
I don’t know that it makes the discernment process any more difficult. There seems to be some thought that one should “shoot striaght through”; but there is much that one could be invoilved in within the Church while working to take care of one’s debts.
Yes, but while “out in the world” one can also loose one’s vocation and it is better to be IN the religious life than OUT if you have a vocation.
 
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