Vows

[Karmelitanum]

If a soul has vows to pray the Divine Office every day can the Anglican Breviary be used? I have a great love for the old translations. Maybe because I’m 66.

 

[Thomas_More_1]

Hi,

I read your comments about the Breviary over on the other thread and also on the Anglican Breviary discussion forum.

You said you are an isolate: does that mean you have no religious superiors?

If I were in your position, I’d ask the closest superior (e.g. the prior of the province, if the order works that way). In the meanwhile, if the Bishop says it’s ok, it’s ok.

But without explicit permission, I wouldn’t do it, because the Church hasn’t approved it.

However, if I were you I’d do this in a heartbeat, beginning now: pray the Office (as approved) but use the Douay, or the RSV-CE or any other approved translation for at least the readings, and use the Latin office for the collect and all that. That’s all permitted in the GILH, at least as I did my best to interpret it.

God bless you, both for your love of the old translation and your comittment to your vows.

 

[muledog]

Karmelitanum:

If a soul has vows to pray the Divine Office every day can the Anglican Breviary be used? I have a great love for the old translations. Maybe because I’m 66.

You could try praying the old Monastic Breviary originally published in 1963 by Collegeville Press. It’s currently been re-published by St. Michael’s Abbey Press in England for the use of certain monastic groups and Oblates that pray the pre-Vatican II Office .

This breviary has side-by-side Latin-English, and the English is the traditional (thee, thou, etc.).

 

[puzzleannie]

the English version approved for Catholics in Great Britain and former commonwealth countries is closest to what you are using, and is find for private use for anyone not bound by vows to pray another breviary intended for local use. I agree, the translation of the psalms is so much preferable, it is actually painful to return to the US version. (this question is covered in the introductory material of the 4-volume set).

 

[Karmelitanum]

puzzleannie:

the English version approved for Catholics in Great Britain and former commonwealth countries is closest to what you are using, and is find for private use for anyone not bound by vows to pray another breviary intended for local use. I agree, the translation of the psalms is so much preferable, it is actually painful to return to the US version. (this question is covered in the introductory material of the 4-volume set).

If you are speaking of the three volume set that uses the Grail translation I have that and it’s great but the print is too small for my old eyes. That’s why I thought I’d try the AB since Bishop Amos said it would be okay if if a soul has vows.
In the Livivng Christ…Carmelitanum

 

[Karmelitanum]

Thomas More:

Hi,

I read your comments about the Breviary over on the other thread and also on the Anglican Breviary discussion forum.

You said you are an isolate: does that mean you have no religious superiors?

If I were in your position, I’d ask the closest superior (e.g. the prior of the province, if the order works that way). In the meanwhile, if the Bishop says it’s ok, it’s ok.

But without explicit permission, I wouldn’t do it, because the Church hasn’t approved it.

However, if I were you I’d do this in a heartbeat, beginning now: pray the Office (as approved) but use the Douay, or the RSV-CE or any other approved translation for at least the readings, and use the Latin office for the collect and all that. That’s all permitted in the GILH, at least as I did my best to interpret it.

God bless you, both for your love of the old translation and your comittment to your vows.

Whew…I’ve been looking for this post for hours. Sorry it took so long to get back.

No one seem to understand the problem … I have tried to contact those in charge for years about this sort of thing . They don’t reply!!!
I love being a Carmelite but I feel more like a hermit than an isolate. The one thing I have come to understand is that, even though the Rule plainly states isolates are permitted, the Powers that be both in England and here in the USA no longer want us. One almost gets the feeling that there will be a party when the last of us dies off.

For instance I have had permission to enroll others in the Brown Scapular for over 25 years. They haven’t taken my authority away but are no longer giving the permission to invest to lay souls.

I was previously under obedience to a Carmelite Provincial at Aylesford in England. When he died (God rest him) they told me they no longer were interested in isolates, especially in America!

When I contacted the center in America I got an terse answer after about six months stating there were no records of me at all in the computer. I told them there weren’t many computers in 1974 and asked if they wanted a copy of my Profession Certificate. They said no, BUT IF I SENT MY $25.00 YEARLY DUES THEY WOULD PUT ME IN THERE COMPUTER.

Now, do you still wonder why I asked my Bishop for direction instead of the Order ?
Carmelite

 

[Evan]

Karmelitanum:

I told them there weren’t many computers in 1974 and asked if they wanted a copy of my Profession Certificate. They said no, BUT IF I SENT MY $25.00 YEARLY DUES THEY WOULD PUT ME IN THERE COMPUTER.

Now, do you still wonder why I asked my Bishop for direction instead of the Order ?
Carmelite

I am wondering why you would not go to the order. Is there some difficulty with supporting the Carmelite order that you don’t want to send in your annual dues? (only $25?) They will put you in without seeing your Certificate of Profession! Seems like a pretty easy way to get on the computer.

I would hope you would send in your dues even if they don’t put you on the computer.

I know some people around here who are isolated, very active, and in regular contact with my wife (a carmelite) and me.

Probably a good place to post this message might be the OCDS egroup at egroups.com.