Wanting to be more chaste in a relationship with a non-believer: Advice

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Order Christopher West’s CD “Marriage and the Eucharist”, you only pay for shipping…

Have your boyfriend listen to it with you.

Now, this is not about converting him.
It’s not even about pushing our Catholicism on anyone.

It’s about him getting to hear first hand the theology by which his intended plans to live her life.

If he can understand the teachings you are trying to follow then he, as your intended, can help you attain your goals. That is what love is about anyway, right? Each person helps the other be the best they can be.

It doesn’t matter whether or not he adopts the theology for himself, personally. What matters is that he understands, respects, and honors your theology.

If this is too much for him, then he needs to find that out before popping the question. The CD acts as a preview of what life with a Catholic will be like for him. He will need to reflect upon whether or not he’s up to the challenge.
 
I am in a relationship that is somewhat related, though I am actually the non-believer-- though as you might guess from my presence in this forum, I am doing a lot of thinking about religion. Anyways, another thing that we have found helpful is to just do something to keep the kisses light and fun. If you stray toward passionate when showing affection for each other, change it up. Instead of just pulling away right there, which is hard to do, and could hurt your partner’s feelings, do something silly. Kiss his nose, or anything else that seems funny at the time. This can relieve the tension and allow you to put a stop to kissing that goes to far.
That ‘make it silly’ suggestion is excellent! I love it.

In response to unworthy, it’s not as bad as it sounds and my answers for you are far more yes than no. Besides, in the past attempts to make changes showed that he wants me to be happy etc…because he didn’t leave or completely challenge my decision the first time I tried, and other times.
 
No I do understand that chastity is more than just abstainnig from sex, and the books I read were very good for this. Yes God should be the center of my life but that takes time, which makes things difficult as I don’t have all of that strength that I could have. I sometimes wish I knew better how to listen to Him, how to hear Him.
I know that my bf isn’t chaste, he doesn’t feel called to it and its hard to blame him. But the sacrafices he has made and tries to make show that he is open to trying.

Here’s something perhaps I wish to emphasize:
It wasn’t always this way, I first failed in chastity before I ever found faith, and over a year into the relationship. Had I had my faith then I don’t think it would have happened, but undoing the damage is very difficult.
It’s hard to accept that a change like that should force us to part ways, but that it is better to work through it. I had read the book once before and at that time thought I was bring chaste in abstaining from sex itself which was my goal (to follow the book), just for personal morals and not out of faith as I didn’t have it then.
Your relationship with God is the most important relationship you will ever have, because only God can save you from your sin, and He does that in relationship with you --He created you to love Him and know Him. No other human relationship will satisfy the desires of your heart, no matter how good that relationship is, because you were created to be in relationship with God, who alone can fill and satisfy your heart. It may be that this relationship is more of a distraction than a help in getting you to develop your relationship in God and build your faith. This is a time in your life when you should be trying to become the kind of woman God wants you to be so that if you are called to marriage, you will be able to choose the right man and enter into a loving, stable marriage with God at the center. When I first got married, the preacher who married us made a very simple statement – “Keep Christ in the center of your marriage” and that was the best advice I ever got, and that was almost 20 years ago, years of experience that have proven the truth of that statement.

Maybe you and your boyfriend need to have some time apart – just see each other as friends (no time alone in private where temptation can take place) if at all. If you have a solid relationship built on love, then it should be able to weather a temporary separation, but if it isn’t, it won’t, and then you’ll know that it wasn’t the kind of relationship to try to build a marriage on.
 
Order Christopher West’s CD “Marriage and the Eucharist”, you only pay for shipping…

Have your boyfriend listen to it with you.

Now, this is not about converting him.
It’s not even about pushing our Catholicism on anyone.

It’s about him getting to hear first hand the theology by which his intended plans to live her life.

If he can understand the teachings you are trying to follow then he, as your intended, can help you attain your goals. That is what love is about anyway, right? Each person helps the other be the best they can be.

It doesn’t matter whether or not he adopts the theology for himself, personally. What matters is that he understands, respects, and honors your theology.

If this is too much for him, then he needs to find that out before popping the question. The CD acts as a preview of what life with a Catholic will be like for him. He will need to reflect upon whether or not he’s up to the challenge.
👍 👍 DITTO!! This is it. This is the theology of the body that is sweeping the world. Listen to Christopher West and make Him listen to it too. If he doesn’t understand this teaching or respect it, I am telling you its not worth it. And its not a hard teaching. Just try it. PM me, I will buy you whatever CD you want from him if you can’t afford it. But Yin Yang Mom has it exactly. Its not about his accepting your ideals, its about his understanding and respecting them. And then making “compromises” within those ideals.
 
Just to tell you we are engaged. 🙂
We have also been good for the last 3 weeks and I’m hoping we can keep it up until we’re married, it’s going good so far:)
 
That’s good to hear. I can tell you from experience that making compromises is not worth it. That is, compromises as regards chastity.

But this doesn’t mean one should end up afraid to hug or kiss the beloved person, I think. It sucks when the other person isn’t even remotely likely to be meaning anything sexual or getting any sexual signals out of it, while you’re still worrying if you aren’t sending anything, whatever. But one still has to watch it. I don’t even want to think experience is key here because I believe God didn’t create love for experience and I don’t believe He wants us to learn about it from failed relationships or from the relationship count.

As for other things, there is the faith, the religion, and there’s what we feel about it. It’s two different things. For example there’s no compromising for me about, let’s say, following or not following lent. I’d rather get shot. But running into debates about abortion, euthanasia and other things all the time wasn’t very healthy for my last relationship (over on Epiphany/Offering, her decision). Debating created the feeling of disagreeing all the time or most of the time, coupled with impaired communication and the stupid feeling that the relationship itself was thus shallow. Poor lass tried as she could to convince me out of that and talk about something else instead, given neither of us would change the other’s views, but no. I had to prove things, I had to show we in fact agreed but spoke about it differently, whatever. Talking once or twice wouldn’t have been so hurtful. I suppose whoever posts a lot in internet forums is prone to the debating thing. Avoid that all you can is my advice. I know you can’t, as I couldn’t really, but I didn’t pray enough to be in connection with Jesus instead of just arguing the philosophical stuff over and over. What’s even worse is that she was visibly catholicising slowly as it went, but the debates and mentioning some easy-to-misinterpret-hard-to-fathom-by-a-non-believer rules (people develop scary and very, very wrong ideas, so shutting up about it is more truthful than talking about it without consideration) without proper context interrupted the process. God seems to be too merciful to allow me to see the extent of damage done, but I sort of sense it will come with time. I wish I had been able to control my tongue.

But, we’re talking about you here, not about me. 🙂 Congrats on the engagement and all the best to you both. 😉 Don’t allow debating to break the bond between you two. 🙂 But don’t let this prevent you from talking about the essentials, the things that need to be talked about. I suppose it all comes down to one thing: pray first, talk next. The hard part is knowing when not to talk. It feels like treachery to swallow it and shut up, but on the other hand, force doesn’t convert hearts. Even if it’s forcing debates on people, confronting them all the time, undermining and attacking their views on the world regularly etc. I guess I’d better stop now before I accidentally convince someone to avoid talking about important things, which is not my intention. 😉 Just mind the manner, I’d say. There’s nothing wrong in good manners and while sometimes some people need a push or even a proverbial bucket of cold water, I seriously think most of the time merciful kindness is the better way. And praying a lot. Preaching never works without example and I doubt being an addicted debater is what a Christian example is supposed to be. But I was finishing… 😉

Ah, but need to get back to chastity for a while. Yep, it does feel like the person who is not a believer is not getting anything out of the deal and the decision to abstain from sexual relations is unilateral. The decision is indeed unilateral and there’s no exchange per se. However, being consequent about cutting the sexual thing and at the same time developing the bond in other ways and showing love to the other person should give some testimony. The non-believer can get a lot “in exchange” for lack of the sexual part and even come to appreciate the absence of it. It’s hard to cut the whole of it, rather than just cap it before intercourse, but that’s ultimately the way that works the best, apart from the fact one doesn’t need intercourse to cross the sixth. Basically, hints, allusions, the need to back off etc create hunger. Without such hints, allusions, without the room for sexual impulses, there’s less need for actual fighting. Temptation is always better avoided than fought. And we can be creative in inventing ways we can spend time together, ways that won’t endanger as so much and will strengthen the bond, provide some hobby, some diversion, teach us to act as a team, whatever. Perhaps limiting the contact is sometimes better, as sexual temptations often come from boredom, I think. Nothing else to do, flirting starts… As there was boredom at the beginning of it, there isn’t that much depth to it. So then starts innuendo and more and more explicit stuff. Don’t need that.
 
star, you sound just like a coworker of mine.

She says she is Christian and really does have a caring, loving heart. She is exploring her religion and trying to do things right.

Almost 2 years ago she started dating a man who said he loves her. He told her he wants to get married and be a father and husband.

She 100% believes that they are going to finish school, save up some money, get married and have kids. She is thrilled. Marriage isn’t even a wedding date yet and she has her wedding dress picked out.

Well, the joke is on her. Everyone at work knows the other side of the story. He convinced her to go onto birth control and have sex with him whenever he wants it. In his very exact, own words, “I can get anything I want from her without the stupid marriage/kids ordeal.” Oh, and the classical “I don’t ever want kids. I can’t believe she even fell for it.”

Some people have tried to tell her that he just wants sex. But she is sure that he loves her. She is sure that they are both in love and will get married. She got a little worried a few months ago so he patched it up with an engagement ring.

Best of luck to you, star. Wouldn’t want to be you and wouldn’t want a boyfriend like yours. When you give it all up before marriage, there will always be a tiny part of you that doubts he really loves you. Maybe that’s what prompted you to post in the first place.
 
Can’t edit and there’s still one more thing. Guess finishing isn’t my strongest point. 😉 You said he fairly asked for something in exchange. Now, since there’s no right to sexual relations outside of that in marriage, and he isn’t married to you yet, he doesn’t have any right to that. Receiving something without right doesn’t create the right. Next, I think replacements for sex are dangerous. They can become “the thing” a bit like sex was before. Furthermore, I don’t think it’s that healthy to establish a tradition of tradeoffs in a relationship. Sure, relationships necessitate compromise, but compromise is no goal on its own. It’s a means only. I would try to show him that he’s loved, but without anything remotely sexual. Preferably without “making it up to him” and teaching him that abstaining from sex entitles him to choose the film you’re going to see or the dish for dinner. 😃 I guess you’ll need to tell him what a handsome and generally great guy he is in order to spare his male ego, to show him some love and support in dealing with the restriction, but I would be careful with talking about rights or replacements. 😉 Of course, I’m no authority on this and you know him better, but I still have the thought. 😉
 
Hey
congrats on getting engaged. I just thought i could put my twopence in, as I am/was in a very similar situation. my fiance is a catholic but simply didn’t grow up with traditional catholic morals such as no sex before marriage. when we first started going out, i found it hard to say no, because i felt insecure and thought that he might reject me, so we weren’t chaste. i did let him know that i didn’t plan on having intercourse before marriage, but i allowed us to do everything else before that!
And then when i did start saying no, its against my beliefs, he said that he didn’t know how long our relationship would last if we weren’t sexual, which needless to say made me very insecure! But after threatening to break up with him, he told me that his desire to have sex was so much less than loving me. ANd so we tried for a while to be chaste. but it didn’t last. and i tried breaking up with him again over it but i just loved him too much. And so the cycle continued, with me continually trying to avoid temptation, failing, and then feeling bad, then making him feel bad. And then he went away for a month and when he came back he asked me to marry him. So i said yes, and then for some reason he had gone through a bit of a turn around and was now willing to help me to keep our relationship chaste. We’ve failed a few times, but they are becoming quite infrequent as we work out what are the best strategies.
Our best ones are:
-no kiss can last longer than ten seconds
-telling each other when we feel ‘naughty’
-saying a prayer together

and this one has to be the best cos it has never failed 🙂
  • each day we see each other for the first time, one of us asks the other for a promise. and the promise is to take responsibility for keeping us chaste until we say goodbye/goodnight. and as we both take our promises to eachother seriously, it just does not fail if we both make sure we get a promise as soon as we see each other.
anyway, we’re going good at the moment so I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you too 🙂
 
Hasiklee-just to tell you. I never gave it all up. There is no way there will be any birth control besides NFP involved and he knows this. He works really hard to control his hormones for me and we have already been pure for close to the last month. And I’m very serious about keeping it that way till our wedding day. Just to let you know.

And Chevalier
Having read your second post-All the stuff from before was a while ago. Things have changed even before he proposed and things are much better now.
 
RCIA is the program to get baptized right? Well to tell you the truth, I have yet to start it. I’m new to the faith and I’m not ready for it yet, but I plan to in the future. I am not going to force him into anything though.
 
Update:

We got married this summer. We did manage to wait till our wedding night for the real thing and it was very worth it:)

We’re very happy together.

I also just started the RCIA program.
 
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