Was Jesus a Sedevancist?

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We have 2 choices:
  1. The gates of hell have prevailed against the Church
  2. You are a Sedevancist and for some reason are afraid to admit it.
{Personally I think its number 2. if it walks like a Sedevancist, talks like a Sedevancist and acts like a Sedevancist it probably is a Sedevancist.
Do your homework dear, a sedevacantist says there’s no valid pope. I never claimed that, I never implied that. Research sedevantism and papal infallibility. One thing I hope you learn about popes is that they can make mistakes. To say otherwise incurs the anathema from Vatican I.
God Bless.
 
As far as who said that latinmass knows more than the Pope, well latinmass did when he called the Pope a heretic:

You deny the Church’s authority to speak on faith and morals by saying that the current Pope cannot do anything but parrot long dead Popes. Why are the dead Popes more authoritative then the one we have now? When did the Vicar of Christ lose the ability to speak on faith and morals?
An excellent question which I’ve wondered myself: Why are dead Popes more authoritative…?" The modern Popes have, to a degree, adopted a modern mentality. The previous Popes condemned certain behavior and explained how the results would be negative. The modern Popes ignored the warnings, and the predicted results are now apparent. Where do we draw the line for deviation from tradition? “if it’s not broke, don’t fix it.” Why? Because you’ll break it. That simple. John Paul II did/wrote/said a lot of good, but he did cause scandal in some areas. He’s not perfect, nobody is. He can make mistakes, we all do. He never retracted public acts of scandal, which is something to keep in mind, as Saints admit when they’re wrong. He never infallibly taught against faith/morals. His view of ecumenism/religiousl liberty was thwarted though, likely due to WWII. Understandable, but not completely without consequence.
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Deliberately speaking such truth (about Christ among other things) that you arouse hatred in godless Communists and they attempt to kill you - and it was hardly unexpected, they were well known for bumping off opponents - AND forgiving the one who dealt the blow as St Maria Goretti did and JP2 did - absolutely does.

The fact that he survived is thanks to the grace of God and irrelevant. Not like he ducked or anything.
I’m not saying this in a smarting-off tone:

How many Martyrs didn’t see it coming before it happened? I ask because, of the Martyrs that I read about, they weren’t killed out of the blue, they usually had a chance to get out of the situation. Or they lived in area where Christians were strongly disliked, and thus very much expected. John Paul was shot in a place where he was loved…being gunned down, not voluntarily submitting himself to it.
 
Mocking the traditions of the Church isn’t wise.:mad:
Better than questioning the authority to church, which you have done. You have told us to be on the safe side we should ignore anything the Popes have said since 1965. That my friend is breathtaking arrogance. Can you give us your theological background? Why we should listen to some anonymous poster on the Internet on such important issues as the teachings of the Church.? Do you think you’re qualified to dismiss the teachings of 4 Popes? Iif so how are you any different than Martin Luther? Why dont you admit you are a Sedevancist?
 
Better than questioning the authority to church, which you have done. You have told us to be on the safe side we should ignore anything the Popes have said since 1965. That my friend is breathtaking arrogance. Can you give us your theological background? Why we should listen to some anonymous poster on the Internet on such important issues as the teachings of the Church.? Do you think you’re qualified to dismiss the teachings of 4 Popes? Iif so how are you any different than Martin Luther? Why dont you admit you are a Sedevancist?
I question being encouraged to sin. I don’t care who encourages it, I don’t obey. I question a man going against the traditions of the Church and warnings of the popes because he was traumatized by WWII. If no significant changes have occurred in the Church, what’s wrong with writings before 1965? Your accusations about what I’m saying have no ground as I didn’t make this up. My information is gathered from the writings of the Church councils, previous popes, canonized and not, Saints in general, priests and bishops, IN UNION WITH ROME, and others. Martin Luther left the Church. I disagree with the pope and that does not make me a sedevacantist. You, however, are proving yourself to be an idolater by turning John Paul II, God rest his soul, into your golden calf.
 
I question being encouraged to sin. I don’t care who encourages it, I don’t obey. I question a man going against the traditions of the Church and warnings of the popes because he was traumatized by WWII. If no significant changes have occurred in the Church, what’s wrong with writings before 1965? Your accusations about what I’m saying have no ground as I didn’t make this up. My information is gathered from the writings of the Church councils, previous popes, canonized and not, Saints in general, priests and bishops, IN UNION WITH ROME, and others. Martin Luther left the Church. I disagree with the pope and that does not make me a sedevacantist. You, however, are proving yourself to be an idolater by turning John Paul II, God rest his soul, into your golden calf.
So you are a Sedevancist. If you say you can’t trust thePopes after 1965 you have ceased to be in communion with the Catholic Church-just like Martin Luther did…

Hopefully at some point you will see the utter and complete arrogance of this-that your limited understanding of church history trumps that of a billion people who are in full communion with the Church. That are wiser than men and women who have dedicated their lives to serving the Lord and protecting and advancing the Church.
 
Just to be clear, sedevacantism has nothing to do with the teaching “No salvation outside the Church”. Sedevacantism is the belief that there is no Pope because the one who calls himself Pope is, in fact, a heretic. It is a fringe idealogy based on a thorough misunderstanding of Church teaching. The Church still teaches EENS (extra ecclesia nulla salus) just as she always has. Stay away from sedevacantists. Instead read the catechism, explore the footnotes, read the documents of Vatican II in the context of previous documents. And remember, the Catholic Church is the One True Church and Benedict is our Pope.
Thank you for the correction, “Sedevacante”. It was getting distracting. 🙂
All true christians, that is, all those who believe in the divinity of Christ,- were once Catholic and someday all true christians will return to the Catholic Church. This is (annoingly to protestants) unavoidable. It will happen. Additionally, the Lord is merciful. Anyone who has never had the opportunity to know the facts about the one, true chuch that Christ intended to exist after His ascension into heaven and of which He left Peter as its first Pope- the Lord would be merciful and show justice with them. However, the ones without an excuse would be the ones presented with the facts and out of a sense of rebellion, reticence, obstinance so forth so on…would be rejecting the salvation that’s offered to them. In which case my fellow catholic here would be very correct, “extra ecclesia nulla salus”.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum
 
So you are a Sedevancist. If you say you can’t trust thePopes after 1965 you have ceased to be in communion with the Catholic Church-just like Martin Luther did…

Hopefully at some point you will see the utter and complete arrogance of this-that your limited understanding of church history trumps that of a billion people who are in full communion with the Church. That are wiser than men and women who have dedicated their lives to serving the Lord and protecting and advancing the Church.
Enough with your sedevacantist accusation. My Smart-Mouthed Idolater, I never said you one couldn’t trust the Popes after Vatican II. You’re putting words into my mouth which is lying, which is also a sin.

You’re right though. I forgot that Jesus told us to follow the majority. “He who is not with Me is against Me,” and this teaching, it seems, the Pope didn’t care to encourage when inviting others to praise their devil-inspired, or simply man-made, gods. The fact is, the Popes are in contradiction. You have no right condemning anyone if you support Assisi. Follow your alleged beliefs or just keep your mouth shut on the issue.

BTW, make an accurate accusation next time.
 
Enough with your sedevacantist accusation. My Smart-Mouthed Idolater, I never said you one couldn’t trust the Popes after Vatican II. You’re putting words into my mouth which is lying, which is also a sin.

You’re right though. I forgot that Jesus told us to follow the majority. “He who is not with Me is against Me,” and this teaching, it seems, the Pope didn’t care to encourage when inviting others to praise their devil-inspired, or simply man-made, gods. The fact is, the Popes are in contradiction. You have no right condemning anyone if you support Assisi. Follow your alleged beliefs or just keep your mouth shut on the issue.

BTW, make an accurate accusation next time.
You said not to trust anything the Popes have said since 1965 how are we to ~ake that you call me an idolator for merely expessing admiration of John Paul II what are we to make of that?
 
I question being encouraged to sin. I don’t care who encourages it, I don’t obey. I question a man going against the traditions of the Church and warnings of the popes because he was traumatized by WWII. If no significant changes have occurred in the Church, what’s wrong with writings before 1965? Your accusations about what I’m saying have no ground as I didn’t make this up. My information is gathered from the writings of the Church councils, previous popes, canonized and not, Saints in general, priests and bishops, IN UNION WITH ROME, and others. Martin Luther left the Church. I disagree with the pope and that does not make me a sedevacantist. You, however, are proving yourself to be an idolater by turning John Paul II, God rest his soul, into your golden calf.
You question a lot of things and yet without a stated purpose or intent. Let’s see, if the Pope smokes a joint, should I smoke a joint too? Should I follow his teachings? :rolleyes: I mean, really, what exactly are you saying? Please make a statement of fact rather than leading questions which don’t really apply. If you’ve got the Pope red handed telling you to sin then spill it. Don’t suggest it without actually saying what you mean. So, in short? Where has the Pope told you to sin and how does this allow you to disobey him?
 
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