Was Mohammad without sin like Jesus? If not, how can Muslims claim he is greater than Jesus?

[inJESUS]

Jesus himself is telling that parable to his followers. He said “What will happen when the Owner will himself come?” The Owner is the God himself. He will come and punish the tenants and give the garden to another people (Not Jews or christians)

 

[Angelos]

**The Parable of the Tenants
33"Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. 34When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.
35"The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38"But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40"Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?"

41"He will bring those wretches to a wretched end**," they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

42Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures:
" ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

The vineyard is the world. The tenants are the people of this world. Collection of the fruits is the doing of good works in the way of God. The servants who were sent to collect the fruit are the prophets of God who appeared on earth from time to time, many of them.

The vineyard is NOT the world, but the nation of Israel. The tenants are not all the people of this world, but Israelites. If your interpretation were true, Jesus would have meant that the Kingdom of God would be taken away from the people of this world and given to aliens.
planten;4008696:

The son is Jesus who appeared many years after the prophets. the tenants put him on the cross to kill him.

In order to convince us that Mohammad is a true prophet, you are coming to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and contradicting the Koran. Dear Planten, you should stop playing with fire or else it is going to consume your faith.

Jesus himself is telling that parable to his followers. He said “What will happen when the Owner will himself come?” The Owner is the God himself. He will come and punish the tenants and give the garden to another people (Not Jews or christians) who willbring the fruit properly (Meaning establishing a proper system of justice and prayers to God). and establishing Peace in the world.

This is not true. The account in the NT makes it clear that Jesus addressed the Pharisees and chief priests (v 45) through this parable. Thus, it is unreasonable and impossible for Christ to state that Christians will not have the Kingdom of God. Jesus’ remarks and predictions are not concerned with the members of a faith, but with the nation of Israel.

The coming of Muhammad is the coming of God himself. It is described in the Quran as such.

You are making Mohammad equal to Allah and committing the sin of “shirk”. Your efforts to reconcile the NT with the Koran make you a Kafir according to your faith.

 

[iaskquestions]

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In Islam we believe that all prophets are sinless. .**

A Muslim, Sister Amy, provided me with this link.

islamqa.com/en/ref/1684/did%20adam%20sin

According to this link, prophets are not sinless. What is the Islamic position? Who is your spokesperson?

 

[iaskquestions]

Your conclusion is faulty since it is apparently based on the presumptions of those people questioning John the Baptist. Those people THOUGHT that the promised prophet of Deuteronomy would be a different person than the promised Messiah. Their expectations were not necessarily true since they were assumptions rather than biblical facts.

Thanks for that insight Angelos! No wonder, they didn’t even understand that the Messiah would be God in the flesh. They were expecting a political Messiah.

 

[iaskquestions]

Even if we deny the accouns in the NT and consider those people’s presumptions as reliable biblical facts for your sake for a minute, this does not make Mohammad THAT prophet predicted in Deuteronomy. This is because Moses predicted the coming of a JEWISH prophet from among the ISRAELITES for the ISRAELITES. If we apply these three criteria to Mohammad, we see that He cannot be THE PROPHET because:

1. Mohammad was not Jewish, but pagan. (He adhered to monotheism at the age of 40!)
2. Mohammad was not an Israelite, but an Arab.
3. Mohammad was not sent to Israelites, but to Arabs.

Conclusion: Mohammad is NOT the prophet.

Exactly. Planten seems to be missing the part where Moses says, “God will raise up a prophet like me from among your own people” (Deut 18:15). A Jewish prophet, not an Arabic one.

 

[iaskquestions]

In order to convince us that Mohammad is a true prophet, you are coming to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and contradicting the Koran. Dear Planten, you should stop playing with fire or else it is going to consume your faith.

Exactly.

 

[Angelos]

Exactly. Planten seems to be missing the part where Moses says, “God will raise up a prophet like me from among your own people” (Deut 18:15). A Jewish prophet, not an Arabic one.

Yes.

The Lord thy God will raise up to thee a prophet of thy nation and of thy brethren like unto me: him thou shalt hear. (Deuteronomy 18:15).

It is clear that the promised prophet will be given to Israel from among the Israelites.

 

[planten]

Jesus was talking to Jews. It shall be given to anyone, beside Jews, who accept it not only Arabs, among who were Christians anyway before Muhammad.

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;4008753:

Yes, I agree. Jesus was talking to Jews. He was himself a Jew, son of a Jew and Jewess (Mary). His everything was for the Jews. There was nothing for the christians. Thanks.

is that from the OT, NT or history? because the 3 prove you wrong…even the Quran says Jesus is a sign to mankind ( al-aalamin) unless you believe mankind are Jews and the rest of the world is a different species.

 

[planten]

Thanks for that insight Angelos! No wonder, they didn’t even understand that the Messiah would be God in the flesh. They were expecting a political Messiah.

**God can never be in flesh. God is spiritual. The Jews did not recognise John the Baptist and did not recognise Jesus too. They were expecting a political type of Messiah.

But when Jesus came as a simple man without any weapons, the Jews were disoppinted. Moreover, when Jesus took account of them and told all the mistakes of the Jewish leaders and accused them of false practices and abused them heavily, they became disgusted.

So they became enemy of Jesus. Moses foretold of some one (Prophet) to come after him, the like of him. Jesus also told of some one to come after him. He gave good details too.

But the christians conceealed those good news and they put a blanket over those good teachings of Jesus. There is nothing about the not coming of any one after Jesus. There is news of the false prophets. That was good of Jesus to warn his followers but they applied it to Muhammad only. The christians did not look for the false ones in their own midst, in people who came in the name of Jesus.

Muhammad did not come in the name of Jesus. He came in the name of Allah. So Muhammad cannot be any false prophet. Jesus warned about the false prophets who would come in his name. He mentioned it in various ways. He said “People will tell you that Jesus is here, Jesus is there”. He said, “Do not believe them…” It is all in the bible NT.**

 

[CKP0208]

Forget moham the Toe Jam… Watch this and end trying to understand complete Evil… Who wants to understand the Devil when we should concentrate on The biblical Scriptures and answers to who the Father is and his powerful Son our saviour our King and our Everlasting Father.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

 

[inJESUS]

God can never be in flesh. God is spiritual.

Tso God cannot even speak to humans since He has no vocal chords right?

But the christians conceealed those good news

 

[inJESUS]

“Therefore I AM SENDING YOU PROPHETS AND WISE MEN AND TEACHERS. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.” Matthew 23:34

It was he (Christ) who gave some to be apostles, SOME TO BE PROPHETS, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ." Ephesians 4:11-13

“During this time **some prophets **came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. One of them, named Agabus, stood up and through the Spirit predicted that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world. (This happened during the reign of Claudius.) The disciples, each according to his ability, decided to provide help for the brothers living in Judea.” Acts 11:27-29
“After we had been there a number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. Coming over to us, he took Paul’s belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, ‘The Holy Spirit says, “In this way the Jews of Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles.”’” Acts 21:10-11
“Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the brothers.” Acts 15:32

So no we do not reject the prophets sent by Jesus, but the self-proclaimed ones who bring another gospel:

If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" Galatians 1:9

Muhammad was not sent by Jesus, preached a different gospel, contradicted Jesus, lived a life of questioned morality and therefore is a false prophet.

 

[StevenFrancis]

Was Mohammad without sin like Jesus? If not, how can Muslims claim he is greater than Jesus?

I’m not sure where the Muslims stand on Muhammed being without sin. I’ve never really heard them claim that, nor seen that in the Quran. He was a man, who, adherents to Islam believe received the Quran (“The Book”), from Allah (God), I don’t think he was thought of as any more than a prophet. I don’t think they believe ANY man was divine, including Jesus of Nazareth, (Yshua). Therefore, I don’t think Muhammad is thought of as higher than Jesus.

Islam is based on a Christian heresy, and is a false religion in that sense. They don’t accept the divinity of Jesus Christ. He and Mary are both still thought of highly, with some respect.

You know…once it finally happens to you. Once you finally get the Divinity of Jesus, and the revelation of the fact that he is God, everything else starts to snap into place pretty quickly.

Jesus was either a sham, in which case, all we are doing here, Christianity in all it’s forms is folly. Or…He is who he said He is. If that is the case, then all the religions after His death and ressurrection are folly.

For reasons, I’ll never understand, God has allowed me to discern the truth about Christ through the grace of the Holy Spirit. I couldn’t undo this if I tried. And why on earth would I try? I believe, in the fullness of time, that Jesus will be known to all peoples as God come to us, his creatures, out of his love for us.

That he left us the Holy Spirit, and each other, along with a plan for salvation. It is more real than anything I’ve ever known or studied. As more and more of God’s children become aware, then all the other religions with just start to fade away into the past. We won’t even notice it. It has always happened. It happens in the future, and it is happening now. One enlightened soul at a time.

Praise be to Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Angelos]

God can never be in flesh. God is spiritual. The Jews did not recognise John the Baptist and did not recognise Jesus too. They were expecting a political type of Messiah.

Nothing is impossible to God. He wanted to come and dwell among His people. Who are you to limit His power and underestimate His love for mankind?

But when Jesus came as a simple man without any weapons, the Jews were disoppinted. Moreover, when Jesus took account of them and told all the mistakes of the Jewish leaders and accused them of false practices and abused them heavily, they became disgusted.

You got this information from the NT, didn’t you?

So they became enemy of Jesus. Moses foretold of some one (Prophet) to come after him, the like of him. Jesus also told of some one to come after him. He gave good details too.

Always the same faulty allegation. We should turn this legend into a movie.

But the christians conceealed those good news and they put a blanket over those good teachings of Jesus. There is nothing about the not coming of any one after Jesus. There is news of the false prophets. That was good of Jesus to warn his followers but they applied it to Muhammad only. The christians did not look for the false ones in their own midst, in people who came in the name of Jesus.

Strikingly, the parable of the tenants, which you wanted to misinterpret in favour of Mohammad, accentuates the fact that Jesus never predicted the coming of another prophet after Him. He is the LAST as the Son. Consider the following quote from the NT:

Hebrews 1:13
God, who, at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all, In these days, hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the world.Who being the brightness of his glory and the figure of his substance and upholding all things by the word of his power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high.

Muhammad did not come in the name of Jesus. He came in the name of Allah. So Muhammad cannot be any false prophet. Jesus warned about the false prophets who would come in his name. He mentioned it in various ways. He said “People will tell you that Jesus is here, Jesus is there”. He said, “Do not believe them…” It is all in the bible NT.

Mohammad is a false prophet because he tried to convince Christians through his fake faith in Jesus and distorted Jesus’ teachings while devising his scripture. The fact that Mohammad needed Jesus’ (fabricated) testimony in the Koran to undermine basic Christian tenets makes him a false prophet coming in Jesus’ name.

Muslims still tell Christians that the “true” Jesus is only in their Koran, not in the Bible. This means Jesus’ prediction about false prophets are fulfilled through Mohammad and his followers.

 

[iaskquestions]

** Moses foretold of some one (Prophet) to come after him, the like of him.
**

Have we not already disproved you on that? Didn’t we prove that the prophet had to be a Jewish prophet and not an Arabic one?
planten;4016234:

Jesus also told of some one to come after him. He gave good details too.

Oh ya? Jesus foretold the coming of the Holy Spirit. But you reject the Holy Spirit when you listen to blaphemies about Jesus.

But the christians conceealed those good news and they put a blanket over those good teachings of Jesus.

Baseless allegations. No proof.

There is nothing about the not coming of any one after Jesus. There is news of the false prophets. That was good of Jesus to warn his followers but they applied it to Muhammad only. The christians did not look for the false ones in their own midst, in people who came in the name of Jesus.

Again, a baseless allegation, without finding out the truth. Go and reach the church history and you’ll find out the number of heretics whom the church defended herself against.

Muhammad did not come in the name of Jesus. He came in the name of Allah. So Muhammad cannot be any false prophet.

After God’s revelation of Jesus his Son, all prophets have to necessarily come in the name of Jesus. They cannot contradict the revelation of Jesus. If they do, they are false prophets. Mohammad is one of them.

Jesus warned about the false prophets who would come in his name. He mentioned it in various ways. He said “People will tell you that Jesus is here, Jesus is there”. He said, “Do not believe them…”

He warned about false prophets and false** messiahs**.

“because false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce signs and omens to deceive, if possible, the elect.” (Mark 13:22)

It is all in the bible NT.

We know. But you don’t seem to know it correctly.

 

[iaskquestions]

Hebrews 1:13
God, who, at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all, In these days, hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the world.Who being the brightness of his glory and the figure of his substance and upholding all things by the word of his power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high.

I forgot to mention this part. The prophets who are to come after Christ will have the gift of prophesy, i.e. to tell the future. They will not come to give any new revelation.

 

[ramazz]

Muhammad a saint? and greater than Christ Jesus? My foot.

Muhammad’s biodata reads like this:
→ 68-86 sanctioned terrorist raids/robberies, 26 of which he lead himself
→ Commanded the murder of hundreds of Jews, christians and pagans. Was the grandfather of hitler in hatred of the jews
→ Woman were his weak point - Molested several woman, commited incest, adultery and was pedophile. I am not saying all this. Islamic scriptures say it.
→ preached a gospel of hatred
→ proclaimed himself as the messiah and prophet like moses. relegated jesus to a torchbearer of himself.
→ Jihad against the world until Islam becomes the only religion

Kashmiri evangelist rashid alamir has made mockery of Muhammad in his way of life. truth has been exposed. articles are very systematic and well written. See his site geocities.com/yahwehcalls/
Every indian chrisitan or hindu knows this site today.
3 articles over there which expose muhammad.

• Exposing myth of Islamic Jesus.
• The truth about Muhammad - I
• The truth about Muhammad - 2
  Same article available on piratebay. seach on google for “IndianChristian piratebay” and click on link that comes. Lot of Christian movies also are available here.

perhaps the complete reference on muhammad is the book by craig winn called prophet of doom. search on google. it is available online for free reading/download. site name is same as the name of the book i think. This books disrobes muhammad nicely and convincingly and exposes every deed and saying muhammad ever uttered. The book is a real page turner. First chapter itself is enough to expose muhammad and hide the muslim face in shame.

Don’t let the muslims thow dust in your eyes and fool you. muhammad was not a prophet not even a human being. he was worse than that. comparing jesus to him is insulting lord jesus.