Was Paul really talking about pederasty?

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The Bible because it was inspired by an eternal being uses language that will still apply to any given generation. In the end the root issues are still in place even if they are expressed in different ways.
And since the Bible is outside of time, the prohibitions against homosexual practices, fornication and adultery still apply to society today, and these Biblical standards will apply to all human societies as long as mankind exists on this world.
 
In reading the post and its link which began this thread along with the additional post of this thread a couple of things struck me.

First about the original post. When reading the article link to the Thread I came to the conclusion that once again “Sole Scripture” can be a dangerous thing especially when phrases and verses are taken out of context and applied as a foundation of a particular agenda, in this case Homosexuality.
There are three key terms used by Paul that seems to form the basis of the articles argument. The greek terms are: “Poneia”, often translated as “Fornication” (that is illicit sexual intercourse), “Malakos” translated as “Effeminate” and “Arsenokoites” translated as “Homosexual or one who goe to bed with males”.

In 1 Cor 6: 12 - 20, Paul uses all three terms in his condemnation of immoral sexual practices. However, as it seems to me, the author of the article has limited his scope of Paul’s usage of these terms to the limites of the specific verses, where taken alone could reasonably be argued that he was condemning the practice of sexual behavior either with prostitutes or with young boys (here being the subject of the thread). When Paul uses the word Poneia, either as a noun or in its verbal form, in 1 Cor 6 it is amoung his condemnation of sexual intercourse with prostitutes (either for money or as an act of pagan cultural religious prostitution). However, this is an example of taking a word (or sentence) out of context because he uses the same words to condemn and excommunicate the man living with his step mother.

I have read other articles where the position held is that when Paul condems “Arsenokites” this reflect only the condemnation of homosexual activity with male prostitutes - again those who espose this opinion use selected sentences and point out that rather than isolating his condemnation Paul includes this group in the list that seems to condemn prostitution. So there point is Paul was condemning prostitution no homosexual activity.

There third term I am focusing on is the term “Malakos or Malakai” that is “Effeminate”. This is the term used by Paul which the NAB translates as “Boy Prostitutes” However, I want to add one point that I think is important before I continue. Jennifer123 refered to the the NAB’s footnote on this matter which I think is misleading or that see does not understand the footnote or just did not read the footnote correctly. The footnote in the NAB for 1 Cor 6:9 never says that
Paul was " most likely talking of pedestry". What the footnote talks about is the translation of the greek term “Malakai”. The footnote doesnot specify the term, however, if you go to this passage in a greek NT the term is there. The footnote continues to explain that the term may be refering to the latin term “catamites” and proceeds to explain the meaning of this term. This was done to contrast how the term “Malakai” has been translated in other bibles - usually the translation is “Male Prostitutes”. The contrasting translations come from that fact that both terms are viable translation. If Paul’s malakai was refering to the “catamites” then the NAB’s translation is more accurate, however, if Paul’s intention was to condemn those who would take on the female role in a homosexual act (what some writers refer to as ‘passive prostitutes’) then “male prostitutes” would be the better translation.
 
Men didn’t have “commited relationships” the closest thing to that would have likely been relationships with slaves and/or young apprentices. Especially for the Romans the idea of a free man willingly letting himself be sodomized would have been horrifiying. For the Romans homsexual acts were usually considered degrading so they were typically reserved for those of lower station or too shame enemies.
Indeed, it speaks volumes about our society if the pagan Romans, many of whom exposed unwanted infants and cheered on the lions mauling the saints, would find our sexual practices to be so depraved.

And if they would find us depraved, what does God think? 😦
 
(continued) Either way, to try to use 1 Cor 6: 12 - 20 and Paul’s listing of “Fornication” as condemnation of participation in prostitution and nothing more just, in my opinion, cannot be justified when one looks at the entire moral theology of Paul as express in 1 Cor. and his other works , especially Romans.

It also fails to take into account Paul himself. He was a man who fully concured with the sexual mores of the jewish faith of his time, for which homosexual activity was an abomination. This cannot be scene as limiting Paul’s outlook to a particular time and culture because from Paul’s own writings he clearly holds that all sexuality and thus sexual morals are rooted in Divine Revelation - i.e. The Law (or Pentateuch) and the Prophets.God’s plan is reflected in the fact that God created humans as male and female and God’s Will for all sexual activity is express in marriage between male and female. The was further expressed and stregthen in Christ’s own teaching on marriage which went beyond in its ethical strictness than the jewish laws of his days and seems to have been a teaching that was difficult even for his followers to accept at first.

As I expressed in my first post, the article that was presented in the original post the danger of using scripture alone. Passages can too easily be taken out of context in order to fit into ones agenda. On the other hand, this also illustrates the need of the Magisterium whose teaching authority is rooted in the Apostolic Tradition and guaranteed by the Holy Spirit given the Church by Christ. In other words, Revelation
comes to us through Scripture and Tradition ( a point Paul makes explicitly and implicitly in both 1 Cor. and Galatians).

One last point. I hear all to often the phrase used in the article that was presented how Christians are to be loving people who should not judge others. Again, these are phrases that do have validity in the proper context, but Christ has given the Church the responsibility to present the true gospel message and to admonish those who are wrong and attempt to bring them back to the truth. We find this in Matthew 16 and 18. We also find this being exercised in 1 Cor where Paul excommunicates the man living with his step mother and through out Paul’s letters, especially 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus as well as other letters throughout the NT. To point out where someone is wrong and living in sin is not being cruel or closed minded, it is an act of Christian Charity demanded by Christ of his followers.
 
👍 Two thumbs up for the SBNs (super bible nerds) who have graced this thread!👍
 
So the writer of the opinion piece is just making the pederasty stuff up? So there is no “truth” with these people?

It would be neat to see a translation from a super bible nerd that says, “here is the (greek?) word for pederasty, we don’t find it in the epistles.”
That is not what was said. The pederasty verse may indeed be as you say. However in many other places, Homosexuality is condemned oughtright. Here’s one example:
Paul says that homosexual relations are sinful, as well as heterosexual fornication, adultery, and many other sins that don’t have anything to do with sex. “Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers–none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-11, NRSV).

The point is that it is unambiguously condemned in many places in the Bible. There’s really no question.
 
And since the Bible is outside of time, the prohibitions against homosexual practices, fornication and adultery still apply to society today, and these Biblical standards will apply to all human societies as long as mankind exists on this world.
Kudos, excellent point.
 
, …sodomites…,

The point is that it is unambiguously condemned in many places in the Bible. There’s really no question.
Actually there is. There’s several. And the first, centers around your use of the term “sodomites”.
 
Romans 1:26
For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women gave up natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and recieving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

Upon examination, Paul says absolutely nothing about pederasty, but speaks of “men committing shameless acts with men,” and women with women.
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Women with women? You may want to zoom out so you can focus cause that aint there. Something else that isn’t there are the Greek words arsenokoites and malakos. Hmmm…wonder why?
 
What strikes me is that USA Today gets this article from a Baptist youth minister, who is about as far from what Baptist believe on the subject as you can get. While Westboro Baptist are totally wacky on the subject, mainstream Baptist do not believe we have “progressed” from what is clearly sin in the Bible. One can blame this mess on sola scriptura, but I only have to point to Catholic liberal theologians to show that we all have our modernists.

How often has some media gone to Father O’Brien to get a “Catholic” opinion. The media knows what it is doing.
 
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