Was the OT nailed to the cross with Jesus?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Malachi4U
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

Malachi4U

Guest
Many people say the OT was nailed to the cross with Jesus. Is this true or false?

My old Baptist chruch taught that the OT was no longer binding for this reason. The preacher then said we had to tithe 10% of our Gross income because it was in the Bible? Anything over 10% was an offering! So what’s the truth?
 
From Col 2:
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Click to expand...
The only thing I know of physically affixed to the cross in addition to Jesus were the words over his head that Pilate wanted there.
 
40.png
Malachi4U:
Many people say the OT was nailed to the cross with Jesus. Is this true or false?

My old Baptist chruch taught that the OT was no longer binding for this reason.
Click to expand...
I guess that means that the prohibition against adultery is no longer in effect for that Baptist Church. And it is OK for these Baptists to steal from each other and to murder one another, since none of Ten Commandments found in the OT are binding on these Baptists.

Oh, and these two laws of the OT would no longer be binding on these Baptists because they were nailed to the Cross:You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might
Deuteronomy 6:5

You shall love your neighbor as yourself
Leviticus 19:18Sheesh! :rolleyes:
 
40.png
Malachi4U:
Many people say the OT was nailed to the cross with Jesus. Is this true or false?

My old Baptist chruch taught that the OT was no longer binding for this reason. The preacher then said we had to tithe 10% of our Gross income because it was in the Bible? Anything over 10% was an offering! So what’s the truth?
Click to expand...
Matthew 5:17-19
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
I’ve read some SDA literature that says only the ceremonial law (like sacrificing animals) was nailed to the cross, but the Decalogue (10 Commandments) remain, hence their observation of the Jewish Sabbath.
 
Check the Catechism. I just read a paragraph about the unity of the OT & NT. Can’t stop to find it for you now.
 
Hello Malachi4U,

Jesus tells us that Saint Abraham, Saint Isaac and Saint Jacob are in heaven. Isaiah tells us that it is through Jesus that Israelites have thier sins forgiven. The reason God gave the Israelites the Commandments is the same reason Jesus gave Christians the Commandments. And that is to teach us how to Love God and fellow man.

The way people go to heaven (for both OT and NT people) is through the blood of Jesus, the reason people go to heaven is because they love God and love for God is accomplished through free from the will of God obedience to the will of God.

Please visit Jesus, What Must I Do To Share In Everlasting Life?

NAB LUKE 13:28

****And there will be wailing and grinding of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves cast out.

NAB ISAIAH 53:4

(Isaiah to the Israelites.)

Who would believe what we have heard? To whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? He grew up like a sapling before him, like a shoot from the parched earth; There was in him no stately bearing to make us look at him, nor appearance that would attract us to him. He was spurned and avoided by men, a man of suffering, accustomed to infirmity, One of those from whom men hide their faces, spurned, and we held him in no esteem. Yet it was our infirmities that he bore, our sufferings that he endured, While we thought of him as stricken, as one smitten by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our offenses, crushed for our sins, Upon him was the chastisement that makes us whole, by his stripes we were healed. We had all gone astray like sheep, each following his own way; But the LORD laid upon him the guilt of us all.

NIV JOHN 14:23

Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."
NAB MARK 10:17

"Good Teacher, what must I do to share in everlasting life?" Jesus answered, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments:

’You shall not kill;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
You shall not defraud;
Honor your father and your mother.’"

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
40.png
Matt16_18:
I guess that means that the prohibition against adultery is no longer in effect for that Baptist Church. And it is OK for these Baptists to steal from each other and to murder one another, since none of Ten Commandments found in the OT are binding on these Baptists.

Oh, and these two laws of the OT would no longer be binding on these Baptists because they were nailed to the Cross: You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might

Deuteronomy 6:5

You shall love your neighbor as yourself
Leviticus 19:18
Sheesh! :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
Nine of the 10 commandments are re-affirmed in the NT. Only the Sabbath is not explicitly, clearly, expressed as binding upon Christians (although we are exhorted not to forsake the ‘gathering together of ourselves’ and although ‘there remaineth a Sabbath Rest’). Baptists would say that the Moral Law remains in effect, having pre-existed the Levitical law. Moreover the two laws you cited are re-affirmed by Christ: only the most extreme of dispensational views would say those laws do not apply to Christians.

(Some forms of dispensationalism–which distinguishes between several ‘dispensations’ or aspects of God’s working-out of His plan of salvation at different points in human history, and which draws an especially clear line between the Church and Israel–like to point out that Christ in the Gospels was addressed to Jews in the pre-Christian Dispensation. He was bringing home to the Jews their utter inability to keep the Law, since it implied not just external behavior but interior attitudes. He was not entirely alone in this as I understand it: other rabbinic scholars of Christ’s day were say much the same.

(By this view of dispensationalist theology–sometimes called hyper-dispensationalism–such famous passages as the Sermon on the Mount are NOT standards by which Christians should be living but were addressed to members of a former dispensation. Commonly, hyper-dispensationalists think that the four Gospels should properly be classed as Old Testament scriptures and not as New Testament scriptures. Hyper-dispensationalism affirms that ONLY the New Testament epistles and the Revelation of St John are ‘binding’ upon Christians in this dispensation–the rest of the Bible is revered as inspired, thought to contain nuggets of wisdom and insight into the nature of God and how He has acted in times past, and can give some guidance as to how one is to interpret the Epistles; but they cannot be cited as ‘binding’ upon us in this age. Dispensationalist theology is common but by no means universal among Baptists. Hyper-dispensationalism is found mainly among only the most rigid 'Bible Baptist types, and is sometimes denounced as a heresy among non-dispensationalists and/or moderate dispesationalists).

The pastor probably said that Christians should bring 10% offerings because the word ‘tithe’ is used in the NT epistles and because the word means–or at least implies–a ‘tenth part’. If he were dispensationalist, he would seldom appeal to the Old Testament.
 
I have never heard anything like this before but it seems pretty inconsistent on the part of this pastor to render the O.T. useless and then quote it for financial puposes. The fact is that it is almost impossible to understand the N.T. without the O.T.

I forget who said it but " the N.T. is concealed in the O.T. and the O.T. is revealed in the N.T.
Peace
Paul
 
Paul Pignal:
I have never heard anything like this before but it seems pretty inconsistent on the part of this pastor to render the O.T. useless and then quote it for financial puposes. The fact is that it is almost impossible to understand the N.T. without the O.T.

I forget who said it but " the N.T. is concealed in the O.T. and the O.T. is revealed in the N.T.
Peace
Paul
Click to expand...
I assume you mean to say that you’ve never heard Dispensationalism described before. Dispensationalists would not disagree with you entirely about the need to understand the New Testament by way of the Old Testament. The goal of Dispensationalism is supposed to be to permit a ‘consistent exegesis’ of Scripture so that one need not allegorize portions of Scripture which clearly had a literal intent. Charles Ryrie has probably done the best job of explaining the goals and methods of dispensationalism to a popular audience. Of course, many people have been introduced to Dispensationalism by way of the Schofield Reference Bible (available in multiple English translations such as the King James Version, New American Standard Bible, New International Version, and so forth).

To some degree all Christians are Dispensationalist insofar as we do not practice animal sacrifice or keep kosher or observe rules of ritual purity.

I will point out again that the proper translation of the word ‘tithe’ implies a ‘tenth’; since the word is transliterated into the New Testament, some Protestants are quite firm that the obligation to give at least a tenth of one’s goods remains effectual.
 
I can see so many good points above.

So, is 10% manditory tithing valid or invalid based on the above discussions? Or does it just depend on which sect your in?

Catholics teach almsgiving which is what Jesus taught from what I’ve seen and read. Perhaps some sects teach 10% tithing just so the preacher can make a living and build himself a church? Any more thoughts?
 
40.png
Malachi4U:
Perhaps some sects teach 10% tithing just so the preacher can make a living and build himself a church? Any more thoughts?
Click to expand...
I think other biblical principles can be invoked instead of the tithe to garner a living for the preacher. For example, Galatians 6:6 “One who is being instructed in the word should share all good things with his instructor.” Or Paul has a big thing where he quotes the old testament about not muzzling an ox while it is doing the threshing and then says, 1Corinthians 9:11 “If we have sown spiritual seed for you, is it a great thing that we reap a material harvest from you?”

The point is that preachers should be supported. There are probably better passages, but these are the only I can think of offhand.
 
40.png
Beaver:
Matthew 5:17-19
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Click to expand...
So the question here is when will everything be accomplished? His Crucifixion, the end of the world, what?
 
40.png
flameburns623:
Baptists would say that the Moral Law remains in effect, having pre-existed the Levitical law.
Click to expand...
Outside of the book of Leviticus, where does the OT teach “You shall love your neighbor as yourself”?

I know many fundamentalists that believe in hardcore OSAS, and they will swear on a stack of Bibles that a Christian does not have to follow the Ten Commandments in order to be saved. In fact, saying that a Christian must follow the Ten Commandments in order to be saved would be looked upon as some sort of heretical “works” based salvation.

According to the fundamentalists, once you get “saved”, there is absolutely no sin that could be committed that would bring about your damnation, and that includes dying unrepentant for being a racist homicidal maniac.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top