We need to pray for the SSPX?

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I came across this article linked on Fr Z’s blog.
dici.org/en/documents/bishop-fellays-sermon-given-during-the-ceremony-of-the-ordinations-at-saint-thomas-aquinas-seminary-in-winona-usa-on-june-17-2011/

I’m not SSPX, I don’t go to their chapels because they’re not in perfect standing with the Church. When I go to the TLM, I go to the FSSP or diocesan Latin Mass. But - I really hope for the SSPX’s standing with the Church to be regularized, - and I believe they could really help the Church. I also respect their support of tradition. I don’t have anything against them I’m just waiting for the situation to be regularized 🙂

In this article… It seems like they would like to be in perfect standing with the Church… it’s also implied that the Pope wants this too. But - maybe that view is not shared by all and there is opposition.

So I was thinking, we should really pray for this to happen and for the SSPX to come in full communion with the Church, so that there would be more unity, and more access to the Traditional Mass 🙂

Just wanted to share. Please I hope this won’t become a debate thread. I just wanted to share an idea that we should pray.
 
Are they sedevacantists? (I feel smart even using such a big word.) I just recently learned what that means.

It would be great if they could be Catholic, but that would entail accepting the authority of the Church and the papacy. Let us pray.
 
Everyone needs our prayers. Let us pray that God open their hearts to heal the wounds that has been inflicted on their relationship with the Church.
 
elizabeth_anne said:
Are they sedevacantists? (I feel smart even using such a big word.) I just recently learned what that means.

It would be great if they could be Catholic, but that would entail accepting the authority of the Church and the papacy. Let us pray.
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No they are not sedevacantists 🙂
 
The bloggers need to stop the speculating and stop leaking out bits and pieces of information. They’re not helping. In fact, they are hurting. According to every blog in town, there is some big announcement about an offer that the Vatican is going to make to the SSPX.

However, according to this talk by Bishop Fellay, if there is such an offer in the making, he has not been told about it.

Some people say that something is going to happen. No; this is not true! The truth is that Cardinal Levada has called me to Rome and it appears that it will be around the middle of September. That’s the only thing I know. It’s about the discussions we had with Rome. After these discussions, it had been said that “the documents will be given to the higher authorities.” These are the exact words. That’s the only thing I know about the future. All the rest is made up. Please don’t run after these rumors.

I may disagree with Bishop Fellay on many points. However, there is one thing that I believe. He’s a good man. He would not be denying something, if he knew it. He may not comment on it. That’s his right not to comment. But this statement is a denial of what bloggers are saying.

I believe that what Bishop Fellay says is true. There are many departments and offices in the Vatican. You can talk to one person, get one answer, go down the hall, and get another answer. Where I disagree with Bishop Fellay is his belief that this is a dysfunctional system.

I’ve never worked at the Vatican, but I have worked in several large dioceses for the diocese. It happens that people have different takes on the same issue. It’s like four people on four corners of an intersection watching an auto accident. Everyone knows their piece.

The perfect example was the letter about the religious who joined the SSPX. The fact is that there is a law that says that a religious who abandons his religious community without permission is excommunicated. However, that is the rule of the Sacred Congregation for Religious. Bishop Fellay took the letter to the Ecclesia Dei Commission. It does not surprise me that they know little or nothing about religious law. No one is doing anything wrong. It’s a case of a system that is so large that one side does not always talk to the other side. Well there is no surprise there. Try to deal with our county, state and federal governments and you’ll find that same human flaw.

Each department and congregation is like an observer standing on a corner. Governments, including the Vatican, need to establish some way of keeping everyone linked. This way, everyone is hearing the same thing and no one is giving out misinformation.

As things stand right now, we have no idea what will happen with the SSPX. I do believe one thing. I believe that if they are offered an ordinariat, the best-case scenario will be that they will accept it and many of the laity will walk. I say the laity, because their lay adherents are more militant than their clergy is. Their priests simply want to come home, to have full faculties and freedom to move around. The laity does not think in those terms, because suspensions do not affect their status in the Church. It’s time to think about them. They are hurting. They want to come home.

The worst case scenario is that they will not accept the ordinariat and they will walk, excommunicating themselves . . . again.

The middle ground would be to go back to the table and talk some more.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Monica4316 said:
I came across this article linked on Fr Z’s blog.
dici.org/en/documents/bishop-fellays-sermon-given-during-the-ceremony-of-the-ordinations-at-saint-thomas-aquinas-seminary-in-winona-usa-on-june-17-2011/

I’m not SSPX, I don’t go to their chapels because they’re not in perfect standing with the Church. When I go to the TLM, I go to the FSSP or diocesan Latin Mass. But - I really hope for the SSPX’s standing with the Church to be regularized, - and I believe they could really help the Church. I also respect their support of tradition. I don’t have anything against them I’m just waiting for the situation to be regularized 🙂

In this article… It seems like they would like to be in perfect standing with the Church… it’s also implied that the Pope wants this too. But - maybe that view is not shared by all and there is opposition.

So I was thinking, we should really pray for this to happen and for the SSPX to come in full communion with the Church, so that there would be more unity, and more access to the Traditional Mass 🙂

Just wanted to share. Please I hope this won’t become a debate thread. I just wanted to share an idea that we should pray.
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Yes,yes,yes!!! I attend an SSPX chapel and the folk are often exhorted to send spiritual bouquets to the Holy Father. The Pope is prayed for in every Mass.
 
elizabeth_anne said:
Are they sedevacantists? (I feel smart even using such a big word.) I just recently learned what that means.

It would be great if they could be Catholic, but that would entail accepting the authority of the Church and the papacy. Let us pray.
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Please be assured that no one can have his/her excommunication lifted without two things being true.

1 - the person has to be Catholic
2- once the excommunication is lifted, the person is back in the Church.

The four SSPX Bishops have had their excommunications lifted. The SSPX clergy are suspended, but they are Catholic, and in the Church. Each mass they pray is valid. Albeit illicit in the eyes of the Holy See at this time.

The SSPX rejects the sede theory. You may find some closet sedevacantists in the pews of an SSPX Mass, but no SSPX clergy who reveals sedevacantist views is tolerated.
 
dici.org/en/documents/bis…-june-17-2011/

Apparently Bishop Fellay has difficulties to understand that

Mark 10:18 None is good but one, that is God.

We all, even he, even the leaders of the dicasteries in Vatican are imperfect, limited
beings. No one can comprehend the whole truth, and no one can make a perfect decision.

This is why we need the Magisterium over the Militant Church. This will be different in the Triumphant Church where everyone will see the truth in God immediately, but over here no one, so we all need humility and obedience toward the Magisterium
 
JReducation said:
The bloggers need to stop the speculating and stop leaking out bits and pieces of information. They’re not helping. In fact, they are hurting. According to every blog in town, there is some big announcement about an offer that the Vatican is going to make to the SSPX.
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Amen to that. I notice that we are not a patient people, whatever our inclinations. For those that feel they most do something to avoid the vacuum of waiting, Monica has the right idea.
 
What are the issues that could hold back a favorable outcome? Are there doctrinal problems? Don’t they take issue with some of the documents of VII?

I am just learning about all of this. Be patient if this is a redundant question. I am not a traditionalist. Just would love to see greater unity in the Church.
 
JReducation said:
I may disagree with Bishop Fellay on many points. However, there is one thing that I believe. He’s a good man. He would not be denying something, if he knew it. He may not comment on it. That’s his right not to comment. But this statement is a denial of what bloggers are saying.

I believe that what Bishop Fellay says is true. There are many departments and offices in the Vatican. You can talk to one person, get one answer, go down the hall, and get another answer. Where I disagree with Bishop Fellay is his belief that this is a dysfunctional system.
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Br JR, with due respect, I don’t think Bishop Fellay referred to it as a “dysfunctional” system, though I can understand the inference. He called them “contradictions,” and being that English isn’t his native language (French is) his definition of the word is probably a different than ours and perhaps an exaggeration of sorts since we can easily apply the same principle to our own set of parents but we usually don’t. (It seems many non-native English speakers tend to be unaware of the normal use of some English words and sometimes it gets them into trouble.)

What he said might have been interesting to those trying to seek details (and he might have been playing into their hands a little) but bottom line, there has been nothing definitive in the talks with the Vatican. At least that’s the way I read it.

BTW, your analogy of four eyewitnesses to the same accident was spot on.
 
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
 
At_Trent said:
Please be assured that no one can have his/her excommunication lifted without two things being true.

1 - the person has to be Catholic
2- once the excommunication is lifted, the person is back in the Church.

The four SSPX Bishops have had their excommunications lifted. The SSPX clergy are suspended, but they are Catholic, and in the Church. Each mass they pray is valid. Albeit illicit in the eyes of the Holy See at this time.

The SSPX rejects the sede theory. You may find some closet sedevacantists in the pews of an SSPX Mass, but no SSPX clergy who reveals sedevacantist views is tolerated.
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Yes. For sedevacantist SSPX’ers, that’s why the SSPV was found (though, I don’t know if they qualify as sedevacantists. I see them as, “confused” sedevacantists: they just don’t know what to believe). They also have the CMRI and all that, though I won’t get on as sedevacantism is a banned topic for very good reasons 🙂
JReducation said:
Some people say that something is going to happen. No; this is not true! The truth is that Cardinal Levada has called me to Rome and it appears that it will be around the middle of September. That’s the only thing I know. It’s about the discussions we had with Rome. After these discussions, it had been said that “the documents will be given to the higher authorities.” These are the exact words. That’s the only thing I know about the future. All the rest is made up. Please don’t run after these rumors.
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