Were both, neither, or only one of these infallible?

[Frank_Roman]

“And from this wholly false idea of social organization they do not fear to foster that erroneous opinion, especially fatal to the Catholic Church and the salvation of souls, called by our predecessor, Gregory XVI, insanity, namely that the liberty of conscience and worship is the proper right of every man, and should be proclaimed by law in every correctly established society… Each and every doctrine individually mentioned in this letter, by Our Apostolic authority We reject, proscribe and condemn; and We wish and command that they be considered as absolutely rejected by all the sons of the Church.”
-Pope Pius IX Quanta Cura 1864

This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.
The council further declares that the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the very dignity of the human person as this dignity is known through the revealed word of God and by reason itself. This right of the human person to religious freedom is to be recognized in the constitutional law whereby society is governed and thus it is to become a civil right.

• DIGNITATIS HUMANAE

 

[Frank_Roman]

anybody? Need some help here…

 

[batteddy]

The Church has always taught that the very nature of faith means that you cannot force someone to convert. Nevertheless, Catholicism may be the public religion of the state, and heresy is grave matter that may be prosecuted.

 

[I_A]

I’m pretty ignorant, but from what I understand:

[Papal Encyclals]
are not infallible.

jimmyakin.org/2004/06/two_instances_o.html

So the first one, while creedence should be given to it, is not infallible. Most encyclycals are to address a specific need of the church at a certain time.

If you read the text of Pius letter it continues in the next paragraph:
Pope Pius IX Quanta Cura 1864:

1. And, since where religion has been removed from civil society, and the doctrine and authority of divine revelation repudiated, the genuine notion itself of justice and human right is darkened and lost, and the place of true justice and legitimate right is supplied by material force, thence it appears why it is that some, utterly neglecting and disregarding the surest principles of sound reason, dare to proclaim that “the people’s will, manifested by what is called public opinion or in some other way, constitutes a supreme law, free from all divine and human control; and that in the political order accomplished facts, from the very circumstance that they are accomplished, have the force of right.” But who, does not see and clearly perceive that human society, when set loose from the bonds of religion and true justice, can have, in truth, no other end than the purpose of obtaining and amassing wealth, and that (society under such circumstances) follows no other law in its actions, except the unchastened desire of ministering to its own pleasure and interests? For this reason, men of the kind pursue with bitter hatred the Religious Orders, although these have deserved extremely well of Christendom, civilization and literature, and cry out that the same have no legitimate reason for being permitted to exist; and thus (these evil men) applaud the calumnies of heretics.

ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P9QUANTA.HTM

Keep in mind France had been in a pendelum of “revolution” for the past 75 years. In the early stages all religous were massacred, and a statues of Mary and Jesus smashed, and statues of the goddess of reason was erected in the Cathedral of of Notre Dame in their places. In one instance alone over 200 priests were murdered by mobs in the September Massacres. Others were drowened by the state for treason. Others were held in slave ships converted to dungeons. Other European states were just a volatile at this time but I don’t know the history of Europe all to well. It seems to me that he is trying to say that speech that leads to this is immoral:

In your quote, where you put the …:
Pope Pius IX Quanta Cura 1864:

Our Predecessor, Gregory XVI, an “insanity,” viz., that “liberty of conscience and worship is each man’s personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society; and that a right resides in the citizens to an absolute liberty, which should be restrained by no authority whether ecclesiastical or civil, whereby they may be able openly and publicly to manifest and declare any of their ideas whatever, either by word of mouth, by the press, or in any other way.” *But, while they rashly affirm this, they do not think and consider that they are preaching “liberty of perdition;” and that “if human arguments are always allowed free room for discussion, there will never be wanting men who will dare to resist truth, and to trust in the flowing speech of human wisdom; whereas we know, from the very teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, how carefully Christian faith and wisdom should avoid this most injurious babbling.”
*

So free speech has its limits is what he’s saying. Obviously the martyrdom’s of recent memory play into his thought.

In my opinion, since it is 1) an encylcical and 2) no binding terms have been used it is not infallible. It looks to me like the quote was taken out of context out of the text and out of history.

Now I don’t have much more time to address Dignitatis Humane, but it uses the words:
Dignitatis Humane:

This Vatican Council *declares *that the human person has a right to religious freedom.

I define or I declare is one of those keywords used to invoke infallibility.
catholic.net/RCC/Issues/Papal-Infallibility/papal-infallibility.html
(Note I didn’t read the link myself, I just googled it.)

Sorry I don’t have more time. I might be wrong, its just my impression at first glacne.