Were Jesus' miracles real?

[Nita]

:yup: And from today’s Gospel: “'The Jews then said to him, ‘What signs have you to show us for doing this?’ Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up,’” (Jn. 2:18-19).

Am adding that in the margin of #649 in my Catechism. Thanks.
Nita

 

[Nita]

:yup: And from today’s Gospel: “'The Jews then said to him, ‘What signs have you to show us for doing this?’ Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up,’” (Jn. 2:18-19).

Thanks. Am adding that reference in the margin by CCC #649.
Nita

 

[SHW]

Regarding Our Lord’s Resurrection:

CCC #649 As for the Son , he effects his own Resurrection by virtue of his divine power. … Elsewhere he affirms explicitly: “I lay down my life, that I may take it again…I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.” … [/INDENT]

Nita

Thanks, Nita. I always wondered about this but could not find the Scripture for it.

Pax,
SHW

 

[bilop]

He was dead…

I said “Jewish holy men”. Maybe you just haven’t read enough first century Jewish history to believe it.

And God can certainly use anyone as a vehicle for a miracle.

I never said I did not believe that he performed miracles - I said that you are not required to believe in any specific stories and that the miracle stories are not unique to him.

Others have already answered you, especially Nita (thanks Nita!).

Christ, the 2nd person of the Trinity, was never dead. God can’t die. Just like Christ always existed before the Incarnation, he existed after his human body died.

Christ, along with God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, raised his human body from the dead.

Be careful with your statements about Christ. You might want to read up on the heresy of Arianism. I think your line of thought is veering dangerously close to that territory.

As for these other “Jewish holy men”, why would I believe in them? If they were working “miracles”, I doubt they were the work of God.

God Bless

 

[Valke2]

There was an Egyptian seer, who claimed to be the Messiah and had a followin of about 30,000 (according to Josephus). I believe he there were miracles attributed to him.

As to miracles of healing, the Talmud records rabbis doing this, although not to the extent that Jesus is said to have done in terms of quantity. I am suspect of the accounts in the Bible because of how they portray the Pharisees, attributing his exorcism to “Beealzabub, the prince of demons”. Performing exorcisms and casting out demons a/k/a healing, was certainly not unheard of or even that uncommon at the time. You couldn’t swing a dead cat without hitting a demon. Every illness was attributed to demons. So why Jews would take exception with Jesus performing an exorcism and attribute it to the prince of demons, I can’t imagine.

The rabbis viewed demons, in gerneral as an annoyance and there are references to them confronting, outsmarting and overpowering demons in the Talmud and (I am virtually certain) other sources.

 

[tobinatorstark]

Are Catholics expected to believe that all of Jesus’ miracles in Scripture are actually historical accounts? Could they be based on historical events? Is it possible that some of the miracle accounts are symbolic?

For instance, are we to expect that Jesus really multiplied the loaves or did something else happen? Did he really walk on water or is this symbolic regarding the lack of faith of his disciples? Did he really cure people instantaneously?

Keep in mind, I am not asking your opinion in these matters. I want to know the Church’s authoritative teachings on this subject. Please point me to references regarding the Church’s teaching.

Why would you question such thing as Christ’s miracles?? Of course they are real

 

[Valke2]

If there were other Jewish holy men doing miracles, where are they written about? You want documentation, then give that on this statement. Also, if we were to deny the miracles of Christ, including His resurrection, then we would be denying our salvation. There is no salvation without Him.

I had written about this in thread a few years ago and I can’t find the source material now. But there were rabbis who performed exorcisims and there was a rabbi known as Honi (i think) the circle maker who could draw perfect circles on the ground and make it rain.

There were rabbis known for their ability to travel great distances in a very short amount of time.

This is all in additoin to the the well known miracles performed by Moses. And the source for most if not all of these is the Talmud.

 

[SHW]

Originally Posted by bilop
The Resurrection was done BY Jesus. He is God.
God Bless

Romans 8:11 “But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”

John 5:21 “For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.”

Galatians 1:1 “Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),”

Romans 6:4 “Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

God the Father and God the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.

Hebrews 2:9 “But we see **Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for **the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.”

Jesus regains (is crowned with) His full power and glory and honor after He has been raised from the dead and He has ascended into heaven.

Correction:

John 10:17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.”

Regarding Our Lord’s Resurrection:

CCC #648 Christ's Resurrection is an object of faith in that it is a transcendent intervention of God himself in creation and history. **In it the three divine persons act together as one**, and manifest their own proper characteristics. The Father's power "raised up" Christ.......

CCC #649 **As for the Son , he effects his own Resurrection by virtue of his divine power**. ... Elsewhere he affirms explicitly: "I lay down my life, that I may take it again....I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again." ...

Thanks, Nita for the correction.
**
All three Divine Persons, working together, raised Jesus from the dead.**

Pax,
SHW

 

[patrick457]

I had written about this in thread a few years ago and I can’t find the source material now. But there were rabbis who performed exorcisims and there was a rabbi known as Honi (i think) the circle maker who could draw perfect circles on the ground and make it rain.

Ah, Honi ha-M’agel; he’s got to be one of my favorite “holy men” from around the time of Jesus. As far as I remember, on one occasion when God did not send rain, Honi drew a circle, stood inside it, and informed God that he would not move until it rained. When it began to drizzle, Honi told God that he was not satisfied and expected more; it then began to pour. He explained that he wanted a calm rain, at which point the rain calmed down. He was even almost put into cherem for the above incident in which he showed “dishonor” to God, were it not for Shimon ben Shetach.

Honi’s death, as it was recounted the Talmud (in some ways similar to Rip van Winkle or Ranka or even the Christian Seven Sleepers of Ephesus) was also interesting. Honi fell asleep after asking a man why he is planting a carob tree which traditionally takes 70 years to mature, making it virtually impossible to ever benefit from the tree’s fruit. The now-asleep Honi is miraculously covered by a rock and remains out of sight for 70 years. When Honi awakens, he finds a fully mature tree and that he has a grandson, and when nobody would believe him that he was indeed Honi, he prayed to God and God took him.