What a Corny translation!

[runandsew]

I don’t know why but when the KJV translates the Greek word ‘stachys’ as corn instead of grain, it bothers me.

Maybe because the fact that corn is from the Americas, and not brought to the other continents for another 1,500 years after this passage was written.

I thought some Protestants loved the KJV because it was the truest to the original Greek texts. There are other translated words that bother me also, like using the word ‘meat’ instead of food in John 6.

**Luke 6:1 **
And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing [them] in [their] hands.

 

[marytk]

What we AMERICANS call Corn is Maize.

There has been the use of the word “corn” for other grains before they learned about our Maize corn

Chiefly British Any of various cereal plants or grains, especially the principal crop cultivated in a particular region, such as wheat in England or oats in Scotland.nline Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source
corn (1)
“grain,” O.E. corn, from P.Gmc. *kurnam “small seed,” from PIE base *ger- “wear away” (O.Slav. zruno “grain,” Skt. jr- “to wear down,” L. granum). The sense of the O.E. word was “grain with the seed still in” rather than a particular plant. Locally understood to denote the leading crop of a district. Restricted to corn on the cob in America (originally Indian corn, but the adjective was dropped), usually wheat in England, oats in Scotland and Ireland, while korn means “rye” in parts of Germany. Introduced to China by 1550, it thrived where rice did not grow well and was a significant factor in the 18th century population boom there. Cornflakes first recorded 1907. Corned beef so called for the “corns” or grains of salt with which it is preserved.

 

[DaveBj]

The KJV translation dates from 1611. At that point, nobody in England had ever heard of maize, or “Indian corn.” “Corn” was the standard-use word for what we now call “grain.”

 

[lak611]

The Douay-Rheims uses the word “corn” also.

Luk 6:1 And it came to pass on the second first sabbath that, as he went through the corn fields, his disciples plucked the ears and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.

 

[jfallaw]

An olde middle English saying: God speede ye plowe and give us corne enowe.

 

[Zooey]

I have some very old recipes that still refer to what we now think of as “corn”, as “Indian corn”, while other grains are called “kern” or “cern”. The name derives from Ceres (hence cereal), the Graeco-Roman goddess of the harvest.
The first cookbook written in America, by an American, uses language that would be more easily understood by a regular reader of the King James, or Douay, than by those of us today…including the distiction between “corn” (any grain), and Indian corn (maize). So that, even in the late 18th century, more than a century & a half after either of these Bibles was printed, corn still meant simply “grain” to the majority of folks…

 

[lak611]

I have some very old recipes that still refer to what we now think of as “corn”, as “Indian corn”, while other grains are called “kern” or “cern”. The name derives from Ceres (hence cereal), the Graeco-Roman goddess of the harvest.
The first cookbook written in America, by an American, uses language that would be more easily understood by a regular reader of the King James, or Douay, than by those of us today…including the distiction between “corn” (any grain), and Indian corn (maize). So that, even in the late 18th century, more than a century & a half after either of these Bibles was printed, corn still meant simply “grain” to the majority of folks…

I never had a problem understanding that “corn” meant “grain” in the KJV and D-R. What did confuse me was the word “kine”. When I was reading Genesis, I understood the “corn” when I was reading about Joseph’s dreams, but actually had to go to the library and look up “kine” in the Oxford Dictionary.:blushing: That was before I had a computer. The Webster’s Dictionary I had at home did not have “kine” listed. I learned that “kine” is an archaic plural for “cow”.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

A good friend pointed this type of corn out to me in the KJV

Numbers 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Numbers 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Deuteronomy 33:17
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psalm 22:21
Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

Psalm 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psalm 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

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[lak611]

Then we have Leviathan and Behemoth. {Job 3:8 DRB) Let them curse it who curse the day, who are ready to raise up a leviathan:

(Job 41:1 DRB) (40:20) Canst thou draw out the leviathan with a hook, or canst thou tie his tongue with a cord?

(Isa 27:1 DRB) In that day the Lord with his hard, and great, and strong sword shall visit leviathan the bar serpent, and leviathan the crooked serpent, and shall slay the whale that is in the sea.

(Job 40:15 DRB) (40:10) Behold behemoth whom I made with thee, he eateth grass like an ox.