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I´ve been searching for any Nietzchean topics in this forum and have not found any… what about him? Does anyone have essays or could recommend books that unmask his “philosophy” and everything he states regarding Christianity specially in “The Antichrist”? I´ve read several of his books and he is a very good and powerful writer but with very crooked ideas… He is pretty influential in todays world, specially with agnostics and atheists or just anti-catholics, so it would be interesting to start talking about him and his works, so we can be armed with The Truth when people start praising Nietzche and attacking God…
in advance, thanks alot,
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urquidi:
Hello!
I´ve been searching for any Nietzchean topics in this forum and have not found any… what about him? Does anyone have essays or could recommend books that unmask his “philosophy” and everything he states regarding Christianity specially in “The Antichrist”?
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Here is a good article Nietzche - Peter Kreeft

I have read little to almost nothing on him though, so I cannot help much. Perhaps this will help jump start the conversation.

Pax,
Marie
 
I think very few people know anything about Nietzche, the only reason I know anything at all is because I use to work with an X Catholic turned “Devil worshipper” who was a big fan of Nietzche. The only think I can remember about it was reading a thought

“that anyone who followed Nietzche would be sure to end up suicidal”
 
Urquidi,

As I learned in my intro to philosophy class in college in order to understand Nietzche then you must read and understand the philosophers that came before him-especially the Greeks. I also learned that after he died his sister edited some of his writings-she had absolutely no clue what she was doing and didn’t understand his philosophy, so I would avoid anything edited by her. If you find any authors who don’t understand Greek philosophy then they will misunderstand him, which is very easy to do. I don’t know of any books or authors off-hand.

Have fun 🙂

Becky
 
Although I know very little about Nietzche, I remember some of what I learned in college (A Catholic University btw…).

Anyway, although I’ve forgotten a lot, I have to confess that one of my favorite quotes is the following:

“One who fights monsters must take care not to become one. For when you stand and look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you.”

There are many ways to interpret this, but I have found the statement to be true through my various trials. My very calling seems to be “fighting monsters”…and the warning to take care has been taken to heart. The trials I’ve faced, and still face, although they have changed me and taken my innocent outlook on human nature, they have also brought me closer to Christ. Yes, the abyss has “looked into me” so to speak, but through the faith handed down to me and accepted by me, and God willing, I will be safe.

He may have been a hate-spewing, God-hating philosopher, but God can always find the good, even in terrible words, and make them productive for His followers.
 
I just wanted to share this with you. It was taken from a collection called, “1,911 Best things anybody ever said”, compiled by Robert Byrne.

Now, consider the irony here. Nietczche said “God is dead” but yet he couldnt’ seem to stop from acknowledging God.

“Woman was God’s second mistake” -Nietzche

“God is dead” ~Nietzche

“Nietzche was stupid and abnormal.” Leo Tolstoy

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Nietzsche & “devil-worshippers” – I can understand the appeal of the former to the latter; back in college in my pre-Christian days I’d picked up Anton LaVey’s Satanic Bible and found it to be warmed-over Nietzscheanism.

The problem w/ Nietzsche is that, unfortunately, he can mean one thing or another depending on the presenter – he is often portrayed as an Anti-Semite and an inspiration to Hitler; this was largely the work of his sister (whom he loathed) and the Nazi philosopher Arthur Drews found him “enemy of everything German.” Walter Kaufmann’s Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist is probably one of the best modern studies of his thought, and does away with a number of incorrect portrayals.

But while his alleged anti-semitism is questionable, it is beyond doubt that he was a vehement critic of Christianity.

I thought this article offered a good presentation of Nietzsche’s thought – from the periodical First Things:

firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0208/articles/linker.html

and this one from Catholic Exchange examines the recent Church scandals in light of Nietzschian philosophy:

catholiceducation.org/articles/civilization/cc0113.html
 
I have heard it said that nietzche…
  1. is the Howard Stern of philosophers.
  2. was often quoted by Hitler.
Chris G
 
Thanks alot for all of your replies… it seems Nietzche is indeed a dark figure, whom we catholics don´t know too much about him… maybe we should… specially us students who day by day in our universities battle with people who seem to be little Nietzche´s or maybe just wannabe Nietzche´s, full of his philosophy and such… I hope that if anyone else still has more stuff about how to refute his main points or his philosophy as a whole he or she will post it here, cause I really need it!
Thanks alot,
Urquidi
 
A friend of mine who studies at Yale, wrote this short essay after watching a movie in which the guy commits suicide after realizing there is no god (“stupid!”)… it is full of Nitzchean ideas… in fact it could surely be one of his writings, it is really well written… i upload it here: www.maradentro.org/warTerror.html if any of you can state points or just comment on it would be great!
God bless
Urquidi www.maradentro.org/warTerror.html
 
I heard a Catholic radio program some time ago (may have been Catholic Answers, but I’m not sure) that had an interview with an author who had written a book examining the fathers, or rather, the lack of fathers, of prominent atheists. What this author found was that atheists, such as Nietzsche, tended to come from families with absent fathers; poor father substitutes; or abusive fathers. This author posited that Nietzche, in saying that “God is dead” was really saying “My father is dead”—apparently Nietzsche’s father, a zealous Protestant clergyman in a long line of Protestant clergymen, died when Nietzsche was quite young.

It’s an interesting theory.
 
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