What Catholics can experience across the border

[iwonder]

It occurred to me on a previous thread that it might be helpful to discuss what happens to a Roman Catholic emotionally and spiritually when he crosses temporarily into schismatic territory or even an anti Christian territory.
Once, I went to a Mormon Temple. It was a beautiful building, shaped like pyramid. I was amazed at all the lights and it gleamed like gold. I saw a bunch of ladies amking quilts and I really wanted to join them. They were running around very happy and looked extraordinarily healthy. I was quite pleased with it. I was kept in this area of the temple not allowed to go any further. Then they began to talk and explain Mormonism. I can only say it was like the time I was two years old and my mom took me to the local shopping mall three days before Christmas. Somehow, we got separated. I looked around at about thirty different Santa Clauses of various sizes and weights, many many animated reindeers, life size candy canes. The music was blaring, the trees were twinkling and elves were running around in terribly bad moods because they had not had their coffee break yet. One Santa was drunk. In the meantime, it seemed like hundreds of giant fat women were walking all over me to get to the store. I was terrified, confused and became simultaneously very depressed. My mother found me, we went home and I have avoided ever since going to the mall right before Christmas. Because it made no sense.

Once my husband and I went to Mass while on vacation. We were out of town and we went to what we thought was the local Catholic Church. It looked like the Church, everything was right where it was supposed to be and I was thrilled to hear Latin. Unfortunately, when we had been inside a few minutes, I became incredibly afraid, almost paranoid, the people appeared to be enormously uptight and rigid, no one smiled and then the homily began. Words came out that made no sense. It was a normal feast day- Corpus Christi. A normal Gospel. But the homily seemed backwards. My husband in the middle of it said let’s go it’s not a sin to not receive Communion when there is no Catholic Church. Later I found out it was one of the traditionalists schismatics. Profound depression.

I could go on. The primary point is that when a Roman Catholic enters territory that is in schism from Rome or as in the case of Mormons, anti Christian, one feels a violent oppression of spirit. That is not holiness, it is a warning. You see, the soul knows truth when it sees it. It also equally knows a lie. No one goes into ex communication or schism unless that is exactly what they intend to do. They know that’s what they are doing.

 

[puzzleannie]

Okay, I accept your thesis based on your experience, but what did the Mall Santa experience have to do with non-Catholic religions? the mall is a secular world dedicated to the practice of consumerism, but not (as yet) a religious institution.

 

[Saint_Andrew]

Hello

That is interesting, for me the experience is going first time to a cremation, which I hope is the last time as well.

Somehow I prefer a burial anytime. At the end of the day a crematorium is not a church, I did not feel any warmth really.

God Bless
Saint Andrew.

 

[iwonder]

puzzleannie:

Okay, I accept your thesis based on your experience, but what did the Mall Santa experience have to do with non-Catholic religions? the mall is a secular world dedicated to the practice of consumerism, but not (as yet) a religious institution.

Mormonism in our terms is not a religion either and JW as well. They are both very secular institutions and consumerism is rampant. A person can create what they call a religion and still have it be a very secular world. Usually found in Trinity denying religions.
For instance, in an argument with a Mormon about Jesus death on the Cross, they were unimpressed by martyrdom. They simply stated that was nice for Jesus to be a pacifist, but God and government has given them the right to defend their property.
A rampant anti Trinity and anti Christian religion IS by it’s very nature, secular.

 

[Steve_Green]

Mormonism is not in schism, it is apostate, with no sacraments PERIOD, no Christ, no sacraments, no real theology, no nothing. Please do not label this “religion” as schismatic. I find it funny one would combine, and I would assume it was a Pius X Church, in the same thread with these people. You can call the partakers of an “illicit” TLM as schismatics, so could you the Orthodox for that matter. I consider both an internal problem of the Catholic Church. I am not a member of any P X church. I find their attitudes very poor with little faith in mother Rome. They have valid sacraments and honorable people in them. I have attended EO churches for DL. Funny ? Why is it that I don’t get a strange feeling I am worshiping with a group I need to run out the door from? I even pray at their services for their intentions as well for unity. I have even bowed at an icon and made the sign of the cross backwards (LOL ) .
Why is this posted under EO anyway. Oh , while I am on it why is EO in a category with apostates like JV, Mormons, Moslems? I thought the EO was our sister church ? Dear admistrator I ask EO be either in a separate category or included, where I believe it should, under Catholic.

 

[iwonder]

Steve Green:

Mormonism is not in schism, it is apostate, with no sacraments PERIOD, no Christ, no sacraments, no real theology, no nothing. Please do not label this “religion” as schismatic. I find it funny one would combine, and I would assume it was a Pius X Church, in the same thread with these people. You can call the partakers of an “illicit” TLM as schismatics, so could you the Orthodox for that matter. I consider both an internal problem of the Catholic Church. I am not a member of any P X church. I find their attitudes very poor with little faith in mother Rome. They have valid sacraments and honorable people in them. I have attended EO churches for DL. Funny ? Why is it that I don’t get a strange feeling I am worshiping with a group I need to run out the door from? I even pray at their services for their intentions as well for unity.

Perhaps, you have not been told you are in deep sin if you choose to go there rather than the Roman Church down the street. I have also been told that later decisions of the Vatican Supercede earlier ones, and if I cling to the old, I’m in deep trouble. The instance was this: when we moved here, there was no Catholic school for my daughter. We looked into Catholic Home schools. One which looked very good refused to follow the post Vatican II determinations allowing Catholic Schools to be co-ed if the Bishop so deemed it in their curricula. They felt that the prior rulings at the turn of the century calling heretical any Catholic school allowing co-ed teaching were the only ones we could follow and truly be Catholic. I asked my priest about this and he told me that is a schismatic idea. This is why I get a funny feeling in the radical traditional Catholic Churches.
Mormons and JW’s
Umm- Steve, who are you talking to? I think that is what I said already.

 

[iwonder]

Steve Green:

Mormonism is not in schism, it is apostate, with no sacraments PERIOD, no Christ, no sacraments, no real theology, no nothing. Please do not label this “religion” as schismatic. I find it funny one would combine, and I would assume it was a Pius X Church, in the same thread with these people. You can call the partakers of an “illicit” TLM as schismatics, so could you the Orthodox for that matter. I consider both an internal problem of the Catholic Church. I am not a member of any P X church. I find their attitudes very poor with little faith in mother Rome. They have valid sacraments and honorable people in them. I have attended EO churches for DL. Funny ? Why is it that I don’t get a strange feeling I am worshiping with a group I need to run out the door from? I even pray at their services for their intentions as well for unity. I have even bowed at an icon and made the sign of the cross backwards (LOL ) .
Why is this posted under EO anyway. Oh , while I am on it why is EO in a category with apostates like JV, Mormons, Moslems? I thought the EO was our sister church ? Dear admistrator I ask EO be either in a separate category or included, where I believe it should, under Catholic.

Not all EO are included in my post. However, there are EO groups that are rabidly and violently opposed to the Roman Church. I would be a bit nervous with them yes. This is my feeling and I certainly have a right to it.

 

[Steve_Green]

iwonder:

Perhaps, you have not been told you are in deep sin if you choose to go there rather than the Roman Church down the street. I have also been told that later decisions of the Vatican Supercede earlier ones, and if I cling to the old, I’m in deep trouble. The instance was this: when we moved here, there was no Catholic school for my daughter. We looked into Catholic Home schools. One which looked very good refused to follow the post Vatican II determinations allowing Catholic Schools to be co-ed if the Bishop so deemed it in their curricula. They felt that the prior rulings at the turn of the century calling heretical any Catholic school allowing co-ed teaching were the only ones we could follow and truly be Catholic. I asked my priest about this and he told me that is a schismatic idea. This is why I get a funny feeling in the radical traditional Catholic Churches.
Mormons and JW’s
Umm- Steve, who are you talking to? I think that is what I said already.

I would really like to know the guidelines. Do you really think attending a non-indult TLM a serious sin ? I do not attend their masses for other reasons. So is it ok to attend an EO church ?
I have read that it is ok. I have heard we are obligated to the Catholic Church first of course, but you make it out like something evil. I don’t want to make this a PX thread. We could go back and forth. If you get a funny feeling in “radical trd. Cath. Churches” you should not go. I did re-read your thread and it did say anti-xtian so I apologise for this, However lumping your “feelings” about a group in schism with apostates is somewhat upseting to my stomach.

 

[Steve_Green]

iwonder:

Not all EO are included in my post. However, there are EO groups that are rabidly and violently opposed to the Roman Church. I would be a bit nervous with them yes. This is my feeling and I certainly have a right to it.

Nah ,

They just need to lay off the meatrolls, pita bread, baklava, wine and start eating some real food like pot roast, cornbread, good german sausage, and budweiser. They would then loosen up, shave, play bingo, and dig Sinatra.

 

[iwonder]

Steve Green:

I would really like to know the guidelines. Do you really think attending a non-indult TLM a serious sin ? I do not attend their masses for other reasons. So is it ok to attend an EO church ?
I have read that it is ok. I have heard we are obligated to the Catholic Church first of course, but you make it out like something evil. I don’t want to make this a PX thread. We could go back and forth. If you get a funny feeling in “radical trd. Cath. Churches” you should not go. I did re-read your thread and it did say anti-xtian so I apologise for this, However lumping your “feelings” about a group in schism with apostates is somewhat upseting to my stomach.

i’M SORRY. i DON’T KNOW WHAT A TLM IS! AND I DONT KNOW WHAT A PX IS EITHER! AND I DONT THINK MY THREAD SAID ANTI-XTIAN. I HAVE NEVER TYPED THAT AND I DON’ KNOWWHAT IT IS. WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???:crying:

And by the way, if my posts make you sick to your stomach, I suggest you stop reading them. It won’t bother me. Put me on your ignore list and you will beel much better.

 

[Steve_Green]

iwonder:

i’M SORRY. i DON’T KNOW WHAT A TLM IS! AND I DONT KNOW WHAT A PX IS EITHER! AND I DONT THINK MY THREAD SAID ANTI-XTIAN. I HAVE NEVER TYPED THAT AND I DON’ KNOWWHAT IT IS. WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???:crying:

And by the way, if my posts make you sick to your stomach, I suggest you stop reading them. It won’t bother me. Put me on your ignore list and you will beel much better.

TLM- Tridentine Latin Mass
P X- The Pius X Society founded by His Grace Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

You equated Mormonism with anti-christian GOOD JOB, I AGREE !

Your post was fine, want my address so we can write and become buds ??? LOL

 

[iwonder]

Steve Green:

TLM- Tridentine Latin Mass
P X- The Pius X Society founded by His Grace Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

You equated Mormonism with anti-christian GOOD JOB, I AGREE !

Your post was fine, want my address so we can write and become buds ??? LOL

No and stop making this so personal please.

 

[Hesychios]

Steve Green:

Nah ,

They just need to lay off the meatrolls, pita bread, baklava, wine and start eating some real food like pot roast, cornbread, good german sausage, and budweiser. They would then loosen up, shave, play bingo, and dig Sinatra.

Is* that* all it takes?!?! LOL

I’m gonna start this new diet right away! I can’t wait to play bingo with my new buds!
:yup:

 

[iwonder]

Hesychios:

Is* that* all it takes?!?! LOL

I’m gonna start this new diet right away! I can’t wait to play bingo with my new buds!
:yup:

:nope:
Your levity of soul and frivolity is quite… interesting to say the least. Obviously, you are not part of any strict monastic order, now are you?

 

[Mickey]

Steve Green:

They just need to lay off the meatrolls, pita bread, baklava, wine and start eating some real food like pot roast, cornbread, good german sausage, and budweiser. They would then loosen up, shave, play bingo, and dig Sinatra.

MMMMMM!------------baklava! :yup:

 

[Anne_Carmel]

In just a few posts, this thread has gone way off topic. Please bring it back around.

 

[Mickey]

iwonder:

I could go on. The primary point is that when a Roman Catholic enters territory that is in schism from Rome or as in the case of Mormons, anti Christian, one feels a violent oppression of spirit. That is not holiness, it is a warning. You see, the soul knows truth when it sees it. It also equally knows a lie. No one goes into ex communication or schism unless that is exactly what they intend to do. They know that’s what they are doing.

God is beauty and mercy. The opposite of beauty is ugliness. All things that are in opposition to God are from the deceiver. The spirit instinctively knows what is of God and what is of satan. (whether we act on this knowledge is another story).

 

[puzzleannie]

I am still trying to figure out the purpose of the original post, which is not illuminated by the rest of the discussion. I though it had to do with ministry in Mexico (or perhaps Canada).

 

[Hesychios]

Your levity of soul and frivolity is quite… interesting to say the least. Obviously, you are not part of any strict monastic order, now are you?
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Of course not, are you?