What did Jesus fulfill in the scriptures?

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I agree!! It’s a good debate and there was a lot of great sources that people brought to this thread.

ConstantLearner, I’m famaliar with your references and sources. Remember what took place during this period of time with the historical Overview

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The term, Sanhedrin is the name of the Beth Din HaGadol (The Great Court) as it was called during the Second Temple Period.
http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/Historical_Overview

How could the Messiah (by the court) be recognized?
 
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He went to Heaven, having finished His mission of redeeming us. And now we do our work: studying and spreading the Faith, bringing compassionate help to the needy, etc., and re-presenting His perfect Sacrifice at Mass until the hour He comes back. We keep running the race He has set before us that we may be made worthy of Him, looking forward to the day we can be in His presence with Him for eternity.
I agree with you - Even so, scripture states, at age unknown - young adult, in Luke 2:49, "And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” So then John 17 finishes with “I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.”

Jesus announces in scripture that the advocate will then come, But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you. (John 14:26)

When the Advocate comes “Paraclete,” literally, “he who is called to one’s side,” advocatus. “Paraclete” is commonly translated by “consoler,” will guide them as they sought to make his saving truths known in every time and place, as you’ve stated.

So, it’s not a two parter but one continual fulfillment. The 2nd coming of Christ is not to reinstate the Messiahship, it is more of an ingathering.
 
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Me neither but when Christ returns and this should be a good hint to constantlearner - considering the state of affairs for the messianic age that will launch, the coming into peace. Describing the era leading up to the Messiah in the darkest terms of societal corruption.

Luke 18:8

I tell you that He will bring about justice for them speedily. "However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”

…Torah learning disappears, poverty increases, and religious despair deepens. Part of leading up to the Messianic age.
 
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How could the Messiah (by the court) be recognized?
Thank you for your post, but I really don’t feel comfortable discussing Jewish issues in the “Sacred Scripture” sub-forum of a Catholic DB. If you want to discuss this in the “Non-Catholic” sub-forum, I’ll be glad to contribute.

I deleted most of my posts on the subject because I didn’t consider them respectful in this particular sub-forum. I am assuming “Sacred Scripture” refers to Catholic scripture. 😉
 
Thank you for your post, but I really don’t feel comfortable discussing Jewish issues in the “Sacred Scripture” sub-forum of a Catholic DB. If you want to discuss this in the “Non-Catholic” sub-forum, I’ll be glad to contribute.
How could it be possible to answer the OP question without using any resources to prove that Jesus fulfilled the main purpose of being sent as the Messiah (savior) to Israel without using both NT and the Jewish Text. It was common knowledge about the about the Beth Din Hagadol. A high court (called the beit din hagadol , “great house of law”) of 71 sages would convene in Jerusalem, on the TempleMount. Also, it is common knowledge when at the hour of 3:00 am when the verdict was sentenced - The Talmud teaches that the third hour is the hour of the rooster’s crow. The sixth hour is the time of the crow of the second rooster. Mark 14:72 says that before the cock crows twice. In the Greek and the Aramaic there is no article before the word cock suggesting two different birds crowing. Thus, between 3:00 AM to 6:00 AM Peter denied Christ three times. Within that moment, as with the Exodus out of Egypt, the hour struck, and Jacob called his children out. Even to the point, like Laban - to Pharaoh, as they both sought after Jacob and his family. They are comparable. In Hebrew, say the word “essence of Jacob” and you find a familiarity in our heritage.

ConstantLearner, the non-catholic section has a post. The intent of that post is toward the understanding and the purpose of the cross. Even when one has to suffer, as Jesus did, as with Israel/Jacob (now) the returning of the brothers had all gathered around him. Again, in suffering - and knowing when God’s hand and power is within that suffering, everything turns into Joy. Again, noting a point from the article,

“Sometimes suffering makes an important good possible. If God eliminated that suffering, the corresponding good also would be eliminated. We could say that suffering . . . is present in order to unleash love in the human person, that unselfish gift of one’s “I” on behalf of other people, especially those who suffer. The world of human suffering unceasingly calls for, so to speak, another world: the world of human love; and in a certain sense man owes to suffering that unselfish love that stirs in his heart and actions. (SD 29)”

See Exodus 2:23-25, God heard their cry, and God remembered His covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. And God saw the children of Israel, and God knew.

Only when we trust in God’s plan and have belief! Faith in God means trust, not belief. Read Hebrews 11, " 1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for." Each generation fulfilled the way for the promise to come forth and when the promise came, as within the Song of Mary - and, Zechariah’s Song.
 
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68 “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come to his people and redeemed them. 69 He has raised up a horn c of salvation for us in the house of his servant David 70 (as he said through his holy prophets of long go), 71 salvation from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us—

72 to show mercy to our ancestors and to remember his holy covenant, 73 the oath he swore to our father Abraham: 74 to rescue us from the hand of our enemies,and to enable us to serve him without fear 75 in holiness and righteousness before him all our days.

Each generation, Trusted and had belief, in which it was accredited to them for the fulfillment. Like the cross, Jesus said, “not my will be done but yours!” it wasn’t just a matter of obedience. It is a matter of, " What does the Lord require of you? To act justly, and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." Why did God seek out David as the Melekh Mashiach? As scripture notes, “The Lord has sought out a man after his own heart.” 1 Samuel 13:14, which brings this to mind and it is a very important factor is the command:

And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

In this passage commanding love of God instructs us to adhere to God’s word “at home and . . . away, when you lie down and when you get up” (6:7).

…the command is to “Love” the Lord your God. What does the Lord require of you? To act justly, and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God ." That is the “whole” message. I guess everything else is just commentary.
 
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One down, one to go.
This website for me had been a source of healing. Within the last two years I lost my family. The days you take in steps sometimes small and others days not at all. The holidays are the not all.

When I read the piece from Pope John I could picture the words and the emotions from them I felt that this Pope knew the route to enduring the suffering but of course he saw the tragedy in Warsaw and the people who had to go on. The article was something i could understand. You learn how to make the Lord your go to person for strength, everyday. The world outside is a very cold place but here you should feel the warmth.
 
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That’s how I know he is the Messiah, from a personal experience.

PSALMS 62

My soul, be at rest in God alone, from whom comes my hope. God alone is my rock and my salvation, my fortress; I shall not fall.

8 My deliverance and honor are with God. My strong rock; my refuge is with God. Trust God at all times, my people!

Pour out your hearts to God our refuge!

Jesus said, “ Come to me , all you that are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me ; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” Lord Christ, uphold thou me that I might uplift thee. Amen
 
How could it be possible to answer the OP question without using any resources to prove that Jesus fulfilled the main purpose of being sent as the Messiah (savior) to Israel without using both NT and the Jewish Text.
I understand, but I don’t want to discuss another religion in the “Sacred Scripture” sub-forum of a Catholic forum. I reserve those discussions for the “Non-Catholic” sub-forum. 😉
 
I understand, but I don’t want to discuss another religion in the “Sacred Scripture” sub-forum of a Catholic forum. I reserve those discussions for the “Non-Catholic” sub-forum. 😉
So what’s keeping you? You could keep my mind off things and besides I want to read your arguments on the subject! 😊
 
So what’s keeping you? You could keep my mind off things and besides I want to read your arguments on the subject! 😊
LOL As you probably know, Jews do not evangelize. We don’t try to convince anyone to join our faith community, nor do we argue about whether Jesus was or was not the messiah. We do discuss, but usually only subjects that pertain to Judaism. Even if we did evangelize, everyone on this board seems to have his or her mind made up, including me, so anything I would say would be wasted energy on my part. Not being a “high energy” person, I can’t afford to waste any!
 
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