What do good hard-working Christians get? Not so much as a goat!

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Your definition of “suffering” is not wrong, but mine is not wrong either, but mine is the broader definition. That said, a more accurate word I should have used is “sacrifice”. And believe me - parenting with Christian Love, Patience and Joy many children involves tremendous sacrifices: from the strains of continuous annoyances to the strains of ensuring they are properly fed, housed, clothed and educated (spiritually, physically, mentally, morally). It is a 14 hour-a-day, 7-day a week endless list of sacrificial giving.

And this is NOT a complaint - it is chosen by us to accept this and be open to life because we trust in God’s promise to feed even His birds. Christ regularly appears to his Saints emphasizing his sacrifices - not to complain - but to let them know that out of love He chose this sacrifice willingly.

I think you ignorantly sit in your pompous proverbial arm-chair and try to slide around this truth out of pride - for the sake of condescension. Either that or you suffer from utter ignorance. Either way, when you mock or downplay someone’s true pains you hit people’s buttons - so be aware of this in future discussions.
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IwishIknew said:
Your definition of “suffering” is not wrong, but mine is not wrong either, but mine is the broader definition. That said, a more accurate word I should have used is “sacrifice”. And believe me - parenting with Christian Love, Patience and Joy many children involves tremendous sacrifices: from the strains of continuous annoyances to the strains of ensuring they are properly fed, housed, clothed and educated (spiritually, physically, mentally, morally). It is a 14 hour-a-day, 7-day a week endless list of sacrificial giving.

And this is NOT a complaint - it is chosen by us to accept this and be open to life because we trust in God’s promise to feed even His birds. Christ regularly appears to his Saints emphasizing his sacrifices - not to complain - but to let them know that out of love He chose this sacrifice willingly.

I think you ignorantly sit in your pompous proverbial arm-chair and try to slide around this truth out of pride - for the sake of pride. Either that or you suffer from utter ignorance. Either way, when you mock or downplay someone’s true pains you hit people’s buttons - so be aware of this in future discussions.
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Thank you for insulting me. I have something besides the never ending pains I suffer to offer up today. If you wish to hang onto your definition that’s up to you. It’s nothing to me. You started this thread and so were supposedly open to discussion and even friendly criticism. I see you want neither. I’m not going to agree with you to assuage your feelings. And that’s the end of it.
 
Doing the right thing is it’s own reward. What else could be wanted?
If you’re doing the will of God, you are united with him, and that is the absolute highest good to be hoped for.
That we would hope for something else tells us we would not have managed the garden any differently that Adam and Eve.
 
IwishIknew said:
Your definition of “suffering” is not wrong, but mine is not wrong either, but mine is the broader definition. **That said, a more accurate word I should have used is “sacrifice”. And believe me - parenting with Christian Love, Patience and Joy **many children involves tremendous sacrifices: from the strains of continuous annoyances to the strains of ensuring they are properly fed, housed, clothed and educated (spiritually, physically, mentally, morally). It is a 14 hour-a-day, 7-day a week endless list of sacrificial giving.
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And this is NOT a complaint - it is chosen by us to accept this and be open to life because we trust in God’**s promise to feed even His birds. Christ regularly appears to his Saints emphasizing his sacrifices - not to complain - but to let them know that out of love He chose this sacrifice willingly.

I think you ignorantly sit in your pompous proverbial arm-chair and try to slide around this truth out of pride - for the sake of pride. Either that or you suffer from utter ignorance. Either way, when you mock or downplay someone’s true pains you hit people’s buttons - so be aware of this in future discussions.
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These things dont add together to the last bold. I would however see that sometimes when they do we should seek assistance of a counselor.
 
Della said:
Thank you for insulting me. I have something besides the never ending pains I suffer to offer up today. If you wish to hang onto your definition that’s up to you. It’s nothing to me. You started this thread and so were supposedly open to discussion and even friendly criticism. I see you want neither. I’m not going to agree with you to assuage your feelings. And that’s the end of it.
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You are welcome. I’m glad to defend the unseen sacrifices of parenthood to those who stubbornly believe that these sacrifices are minor at best. These sacrifices are what can make or break a society and are nothing to be mocked and downplayed. It really is mocking a whole vocation and Christ’s call to that holy vocation. And that is wrong to do.
 
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