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A quick background: DH has an Aunt, whom I respect and very much like, although only met her once in person (she home-birthed a whole bunch of kidlets when it was even less popular than today – 70’s and 80’s – I love it! Thank goodness too because I received no flack from MIL on my home birth choices since she was already familiar). Another thing is she recently lost her husband in a horrific motorcycle accident. If I had the news link I would share it, but it’s been a few years. Anyway…
Growing up DH was often told when visiting Aunt and Uncle, but it was the UNCLE who said it: “such a shame we wont be seeing you in Heaven Ian, considering you have not received the WORD.” DH was raised atheist. That hurt and confused him. He was also from Michigan, this family is living in TN, basically some bible-belt type stuff. Back to the aunt, who has always been cool and respectful to her atheist sister and her nephew…
One of her children, a daughter, occasionally sends us Christmas cards. She graduated high school, got married right away, had a few babies. Once every two-three years she sends us a card. We just got a card.
DH opened it (I noticed the name and state and said “hey this is from your cousin, you should open it”) and plucks out a tract to which he rolls his eyes and kinda flicks towards me. He then pulls out a picture-Christmas card of the family and a small ripped piece of notebook paper that says we can follow her family’s adventures at a blog.
I was like
! WHAT??
I call MIL to ask if she got the same tract (not the cool cartoon ones that tell you you’re going to hell and that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, no, way different) and if they know we are Catholic and are trying to evangelicalize (sp?) us. She said she got it and just threw the tract in the trash without reading. She also said “I didn’t complain that you were catholic, but I might have mentioned it.” She good-natured “blames” me for DH being Catholic
, but she’s a good soul and never made a federal case out of the situation.
She also said: “What are you gonna do Kace? It’s the South! You can’t expect anything else sometimes. Here’s the weird thing – they don’t even go to CHURCH. Only Bible Study on Sunday. Don’t you think that’s kinda weird? I do! But no, I don’t think they know you’re Catholic.”
Back to the tract at hand – I interviewed (ok challenged, and got a few god swipes right back
) a couple of protestant friends on the theology mentioned. They both seemed to agree it was Pentecostal in nature. They also agreed the part on baptism was completely out of scriptural context. The whole thing is color-coded to explain the theology, i.e: black being KJV of the bible. Green: Israel’s program. Blue: Ours/Gentiles program, Brown= divisions/differences, Purple=Books of the Bible, Grey=commentary.
I’ll not bore you with the how to break up scripture as to 'how it applies to us and how it applies to the State of Israel" but will quote the following flow-chart on baptism:
WATER AND SPIRITUAL BAPTISM
Water baptism, for, the remission
eek: ) of sins (Mark 1:4, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38) was required. Jesus Baptized the believing remnant of Israel **with the Holy Ghost **(Mark 1:8, Acts 1:5) and they all spoke in tongues. (Acts 2: 1-6)
Which flow charts into:
Only One (Spiritual) Baptism
We have one baptism (Eph 4:5) , which is spiritual (Col 2:12). We are baptized into Christ’s Death (Rom 6:3,4; Gal 2:20) God’s Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ (1Cor 12:13). Paul was sent NOT to water baptize (1 Cor 1:17)
Oh and the whole doctrine can be found at www.magnifiedword.com if you are bored enough or are simply inclined.
So tell me guys, I am feeling compelled to send something back. Not to be spiteful, not to think I might completely change her tune (and rudeness of sending anyone this nonsense which I realize she actually believes) not to be an eye for an eye gal. Surely someone knows a tiny bit of info already squeezed onto paper that makes people question faith. Not like what was super-condensed onto this leaflet. Links please!
One friend said I should simply send a prayer card – but I think there must be better stuff out there to send back.
I will send something back, but I want it to be Catholic of nature – any easy suggestions?
Growing up DH was often told when visiting Aunt and Uncle, but it was the UNCLE who said it: “such a shame we wont be seeing you in Heaven Ian, considering you have not received the WORD.” DH was raised atheist. That hurt and confused him. He was also from Michigan, this family is living in TN, basically some bible-belt type stuff. Back to the aunt, who has always been cool and respectful to her atheist sister and her nephew…
One of her children, a daughter, occasionally sends us Christmas cards. She graduated high school, got married right away, had a few babies. Once every two-three years she sends us a card. We just got a card.
DH opened it (I noticed the name and state and said “hey this is from your cousin, you should open it”) and plucks out a tract to which he rolls his eyes and kinda flicks towards me. He then pulls out a picture-Christmas card of the family and a small ripped piece of notebook paper that says we can follow her family’s adventures at a blog.
I was like
! WHAT??I call MIL to ask if she got the same tract (not the cool cartoon ones that tell you you’re going to hell and that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, no, way different) and if they know we are Catholic and are trying to evangelicalize (sp?) us. She said she got it and just threw the tract in the trash without reading. She also said “I didn’t complain that you were catholic, but I might have mentioned it.” She good-natured “blames” me for DH being Catholic
, but she’s a good soul and never made a federal case out of the situation.She also said: “What are you gonna do Kace? It’s the South! You can’t expect anything else sometimes. Here’s the weird thing – they don’t even go to CHURCH. Only Bible Study on Sunday. Don’t you think that’s kinda weird? I do! But no, I don’t think they know you’re Catholic.”
Back to the tract at hand – I interviewed (ok challenged, and got a few god swipes right back
) a couple of protestant friends on the theology mentioned. They both seemed to agree it was Pentecostal in nature. They also agreed the part on baptism was completely out of scriptural context. The whole thing is color-coded to explain the theology, i.e: black being KJV of the bible. Green: Israel’s program. Blue: Ours/Gentiles program, Brown= divisions/differences, Purple=Books of the Bible, Grey=commentary.I’ll not bore you with the how to break up scripture as to 'how it applies to us and how it applies to the State of Israel" but will quote the following flow-chart on baptism:
WATER AND SPIRITUAL BAPTISM
Water baptism, for, the remission
eek: ) of sins (Mark 1:4, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38) was required. Jesus Baptized the believing remnant of Israel **with the Holy Ghost **(Mark 1:8, Acts 1:5) and they all spoke in tongues. (Acts 2: 1-6)Which flow charts into:
Only One (Spiritual) Baptism
We have one baptism (Eph 4:5) , which is spiritual (Col 2:12). We are baptized into Christ’s Death (Rom 6:3,4; Gal 2:20) God’s Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ (1Cor 12:13). Paul was sent NOT to water baptize (1 Cor 1:17)
Oh and the whole doctrine can be found at www.magnifiedword.com if you are bored enough or are simply inclined.
So tell me guys, I am feeling compelled to send something back. Not to be spiteful, not to think I might completely change her tune (and rudeness of sending anyone this nonsense which I realize she actually believes) not to be an eye for an eye gal. Surely someone knows a tiny bit of info already squeezed onto paper that makes people question faith. Not like what was super-condensed onto this leaflet. Links please!
One friend said I should simply send a prayer card – but I think there must be better stuff out there to send back.
I will send something back, but I want it to be Catholic of nature – any easy suggestions?
