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when you’re speaking out against abortion and somebody says “You’re trying to impose your religious beliefs on others.”?
 
The church does not impose anything. They do not tell you what TO DO, rather what SHOULD BE DONE.

The church simply states the truth, as revealed by Jesus, the Apostles and their sucession and the Holy Tradition.

If you don’t like the truth, remember; “As soon as the truth was spoken out into the world, it was hated.”

Ask yourself why the truth was so hated, and if you can genuinely find the awnser, you’ll know both the wrong of abortion, and the fact that the chruch has left you free to realize it for yourself.

Another approach is to clarify the definition of Freedom, and differentitate it from “Freedom of choice”. It should be obvious how one is not the equal of the other since one is ‘freedom’ and the other is ‘of freedom’.

The definitiion of freedom is not "too choose between several options’, it is to simply ‘choose, without being forced towards your choice in any manner or form’. Now ponder the definitioin a bit;

Freedom is not a question of ‘having choices’, it is simply a function of choosing without being forced to a particular choice.

The consequence of this is that you can have a single optioni, and be free, and have countless options, and be a slave. The church, thus, by citing the truth, and giving only a single option to its faithful (the option of the truth), do not in any infringe on freedom. They simply state the truth, and present the truth as the only accepable option and other than that, as Lucifer himself was given choice from God, the church lets their followers free to choose the truth or turn away from it.

That is a brief explanation of course, and by no means am I an expert. i suggest if you would like to know more about that approach to read Anselm of Canterbury or seek out more knowledgeable apologists than I (if I can even consider myself an apoplogetic).

So says the
Crow of the Lord, Fool of God
 
This is Mark Crutcher’s response to that question in his book **On Message ** :
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"A person does not have to be especially religious to say it's wrong to murder a child, any more than they have to be religious to say it's wrong to steal money.  It's just that there are certain activities civilized people won't accept regardless of their religious beliefs or even if they don't have any.
Abortion is one of those issues. In reality, abortion is a civil rights and a human rights issue. Just because so many people in our movement are personally motivated by their religious beliefs does not make abortion a religious issue. If the argument is that abortion should be off limits to the law on the basis that most pro-life people are Christian, than it is only logical to do away with laws against armed robbery since one of the Ten Commandments is, ‘Thou shalt not steal’. In fact, if we are going to reject a law simply because it is supported by religion, and since there is hardly anything illegal which is not also prohibited by Scripture, then obviously we have to do away with all of our laws. Let’s also not forget that the civil rights movement was dominated by pastors and that it was often headquartered in churches. That didn’t make civil rights a religious issue."

Hope that helps!
 
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Aurelia:
when you’re speaking out against abortion and somebody says “You’re trying to impose your religious beliefs on others.”?
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I would simple say killing is wrong and should be against the law for everyone. Born and unborn.
 
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Aurelia:
when you’re speaking out against abortion and somebody says “You’re trying to impose your religious beliefs on others.”?
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The right to life is not a religious issue, as many people who are pro-life are not religious at all-- hence Atheists For Life etc.

The issue is primarily an issue of human rights and of society’s responsibility to protect vulnerable citizens and restrict actions harmful to society.

I highly recommend the book Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments by Randy Alcorn.
 
I would say that you are not trying to impose your religious views on others. You are working to protect the lives of some of the most vulnerable members of our society.
 
I’ve heard this so many times.

You can then ask them, “why are you forcing your views of moral relativism down my throat?”

These kinds of people are usually shocked to learn that their views can be categorized and called an 'ism".

here is a link I found in a simple google search.
equip.org/free/DA241.htm

understanding the evils of moral relativism is key to defeating their ignorance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism

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Those who support positions of moral absolutism or universalism are often highly critical of moral relativism; some have been known to equate it with outright “immorality” or amorality. Various historical and cultural events and practices, including The Holocaust, Stalinism and communist atrocities of the 20th century, Apartheid in South Africa, genocide, unjust wars, genital mutilation, slavery, terrorism, Nazism, etc., present difficult problems for relativists."
 
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Aurelia:
when you’re speaking out against abortion and somebody says “You’re trying to impose your religious beliefs on others.”?
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When someone challenges my beliefs …religious, pro-life, whatever… I try to turn it back to them. I ask them to explain what they mean.

“How am I trying to impose my beliefs on others?”

“What do you mean by…?”

“Could you explain…?”

When the issue is abortion, it puts them into the position of having to defend the indefensible.
 
Tell them that someone’s beliefs are always imposed. By imposing their beliefs, millions of babies are killed. By imposing your beliefs, millions of lives are saved.

Should we not have imposed our beliefs on Nazi Germany and shut down their death camps? Hey, they believed gassing Jews was ok and we believed it was wrong. I don’t think anyone would argue that imposing our beliefs on them was a bad thing.
 
Turn the tables on them and make them explain why they are pushing their views on abortion down your throat. Have come back answers ready when they say things such as “It’s the woman’s body, her life, her choice” respond with “how about the child’s body, the child’s life, his/her choice” or if they say “population control” respond with “So-called Population control is what is destroying such things as Social Securtiy, there is simply not enough young people today to account for the numerous baby boomers coming towards retirement age” or “Let them have abortions, I don’t want to support a bunch of welfare kids”–Respond with, “Excuse me, abortions have been legal since 1973, and I have not seen a decrease in out of wedlock births in fact they have risen and we are supporting more children then ever, a lot of the abortions are done by women who are either married or in are finanicallly able to raise them, just don’t want “their” lives interupted.” But if they push with the “poor girl” then simply state, “There is a wonderful thing called adoption, her medical care paid for and the child she can’t raise will have a chance at a good life with two parents who want him/her.” I found by “turning the tables” (and having a “come back”) by making them explain usually shuts them up.:yup:
 
In this era of proving everything of identity by DNA, I argue that the total makeup of a person is determined at the moment of conception. Therefore on a biological basis this is when life begins. Our Declaration of Independence gave evryone the right to life so being prolife is American, not religious. And this right goes back to the moment of conception.
 
I ususally point out that just about all our laws are based on morality (laws against stealing, rape, murder, assult, pedophilia etc.), and that you can find people who believe any of these things are acceptable; yet liberals don’t consider these laws to be a case of “forcing religious beliefs”.
 
I say, “not at all. It is a civil rights issue.” My religious views promote civil rights, but beyond that, I have a firm belief that the unborn baby has the civil right to life. Whether a person is wanted should not determine their worthiness for life. Why is it a wanted baby born at 24 -25 weeks is afforded all the care available and allowed to survive, only because he is wanted, whereas his peers, perhaps a few weeks earlier or months older can be ripped apart, pickled with saline, shot in the heart, partially delivered so the doctor can shove scissors into the back of their skull and scramble their brains.

I then quote medical studies about fetal pain, the number of abortions, the fact that it is Eugenics to women (in China and other Asian cultures) and babies with Downs Syndrome or any other birth defect. It is genocide when you consider the high population of aborted babies in the African American and hispanic populations.
I discuss the issues of whether Abortions are medically necessary, that aborted babies are often born alive and allowed to die a painful, unloving death.

I give quotes to show that abortion has not “cured” the social ills it was proposed to cure… poverty, child abuse, teen pregnancy have all increased. Unsafe abortions still happen every day in abortion mills.

Women deserve better than abortion: give the options, the emotional trauma posed to women, the safety risks,

At the end of the day, Abortion is a civil rights issue. The fetus has a civil right to life, protected under the constitution. RoeV.Wade was built on a house of cards. The SC decided that since they could not determine when life begins, they could not deny a woman the right to an abortion. Life begins at conception, not the moment of birth. Babies are aborted up to the moment of birth with partial birth abortion.
 
This has happened to me recently, and in a conversation with some one who had taken the ‘morning after’ pill when she suspected she was pregnant, and felt awful about it. I told her it wasn’t about about religious beliefs, it was about human dignity, and human rights. I then pointed out to her that even tho she chose to ‘abort’ her baby, she did feel bad about it. The child had no choice to live. I also told her that women not ready to have babies was a poor excuse to abort - there were other alternatives to make sure that the child can live elsewhere if the mother couldn’t take care of him/her. I told her that the truth was, Roe v. Wade was legalized murder. From one who has regretfully experienced an abortion (which she knew), I will not understand why a woman, when fully educated on the facts of abortion, would want to go through something so painful.

She didn’t have much to say after that.
 
I say, I am trying to influence judges and legislators to conform law of the land to the Constitution of the United States, which they are sworn to uphold and defend. True, the protection of the right to life in the Consitution is based on the truth and a moral reality, but in the political debate we are talking about the fundamental right, guaranteed (not granted) and protected by the Constitution, upon which all other rights are based.
 
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Peace-bwu:
I say, “not at all. It is a civil rights issue.” My religious views promote civil rights, but beyond that, I have a firm belief that the unborn baby has the civil right to life. Whether a person is wanted should not determine their worthiness for life. .
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right, but the right to life is a fundamental right, not a civil right. A fundamental right is one possessed by all humans by virtue of their existence, endowed by their Creator, as the Constitution states. As such it must be protected by the Government, but does not derive from the government. A civil right is a right that belongs to citizens, which derives from the government, and is a right to participate in the activities of government such as voting, education, defense etc.
 
In the US, say citizens have rights to say what we think. If they don’t like it, talk back. Say what they think and why. That’s their rights. It’s a free country
 
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Aurelia:
when you’re speaking out against abortion and somebody says “You’re trying to impose your religious beliefs on others.”?
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I answer “Dang Right I Am”, Oh, by the way my religious beliefs are that we should not allow the killing of innocent children.
 
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