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MartyrForJesus
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If a protestant says they don’t believe in sola scriptura, because they have God as their other authority?
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Catholic1954
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Tell them you don’t believe in sola scriptura because you have the one, true church, started by God himself, as your authority.
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JRKH
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Obviously there isn’t much you CAN say to this.
You can ask them how they know it is God and not the evil one.
The best counter discussion to this is probably to ask if God can teach multiple truths. If they say, as they should, no - then ask what is to be done when two sincere Christians, both relying on the Bible and on God, come to differing Truths. How do they resolve the matter?
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Heuchler
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It sounds like they believe they are having conversations with God which would indicate a much greater psychological problem. It could also be an indicator of pride if they refuse the need of a Church or the Bible and only rely on their own beliefs.
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JRKH
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I would hesitate to accuse anyone of having psychological problems because they believe they are guided by, or have been spoken to by God. Otherwise we’d have to question many historical figures as well…Like Moses…
Besides, god has spoken to me at least twice in my life, once clearly and (internally) audibly and the other time with a most clear sign. Of course most of the time he guides me much more subtly.
The better indicator if a person is being guided by God or by some other spirit,is by what they are being told to believe and/or do.
This is why we have the Church as well as the Scriptures. So that we can “test the spirits”.
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Heuchler
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If this man has been convinced that he does not need to follow the church or the Bible specifically because of a supposed conversation with God, this implies either it was God, psychological problems, or conversations with a demon posing as God. I would prefer to believe that God has not been teaching this man a heresy so I’m going to assume that this is psychological.
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JRKH
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Fair enough…
I am working under the assumption that the OP is asking for some possible responses to the person making the statement. If that is the case, then I don’t think telling the person that they have psychological problems is likely to help.
That said - your comments about the possibilities (it’s God, it’s psychological, or it’s demonic) fits well with my suggestion that the OP ask the person how he knows it is God? The answer should give a clue…
Just my 2 cents…
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fisherman_carl
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This is good. Also, you can show him in the bible where it says how we should settle disputes. The bible is the best tool when speaking to people who see the authority of the bible, but not the church.
“If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.” (Mt 18:15-17)
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PJM
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My first response would be
What does that mean?Without further clairification I have no idea how to respond?
God Bless,
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John_Russell_Jr
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… my dear friends ,
… my own view is the church is a living scripture , all its members are words become flesh , or jesus’s to a lesser and varying degrees , but one member has special protection and gifts of partial restoration of the preternatural gift of perfect faith so he can speak infallibly when necessary or when he chooses , so as to guide gods chosen people catholics and all men of good will in matters of faith and morals …
… if man never lost the preternatural gifts they would not need a church nor would they need anything explained to them – their minds working perfectly , it would be the norm to pass on your knowledge to the newer generations of course though , but fallen minds cannot solve a single problem in reality when it really comes down to it , this is why we are told to hear the church and primarily peter and his successors the popes …
… protestants cannot solve a single problem , they need to hear christ speak through the holy father by the power of the spirit if they want to know scripture , and the word of god is more than a book , it is all creation , god speaks through everything and anything and everyone , but a special way the word of god speaks to us is through the catholic church the living word of god carrying on his mission til the end of time , the bible – word of god is not a book it is a person , it is god , and that god is everywhere , but he is especially alive and present in the catholic church where it is easiest to hear his voice and have his message the gospel taught you …
… and fallen men needs an infallible source like the papacy of the catholic church has because even though scripture is inerrant and no error and is sort of infallible being inspired mans fallen mind cannot compute the data properly , the fallen mind can amass great knowledge , but what use is the knowledge if you don’t understand or appreciate it fully , fallen minds have about 5 or 10 % of their normal capacity to understand and appreciate their knowledge and that capacity is very defective , it’s like their mind the supercomputer has a terrible virus ruining all the data so the results from computing the data is chaotic …
… but the popes are given protection so the virus does not affect their magisterium when teaching the universal church on faith and morals , protestants and others need to know just because the bible is perfect and without error does not mean they are too – and this is where they fall down I’m afraid , all must acknowledge their fallen state and limitations and accept what god has done to overcome this for us – the church and papacy …
… the bible is only infallible if you have an infallible source to interpret it , and no fallen man can be infallible – hence a little extra help for the popes , those are my thoughts dear friends …
… may god bless and love you ,
… john …
… my own view is the church is a living scripture , all its members are words become flesh , or jesus’s to a lesser and varying degrees , but one member has special protection and gifts of partial restoration of the preternatural gift of perfect faith so he can speak infallibly when necessary or when he chooses , so as to guide gods chosen people catholics and all men of good will in matters of faith and morals …
… if man never lost the preternatural gifts they would not need a church nor would they need anything explained to them – their minds working perfectly , it would be the norm to pass on your knowledge to the newer generations of course though , but fallen minds cannot solve a single problem in reality when it really comes down to it , this is why we are told to hear the church and primarily peter and his successors the popes …
… protestants cannot solve a single problem , they need to hear christ speak through the holy father by the power of the spirit if they want to know scripture , and the word of god is more than a book , it is all creation , god speaks through everything and anything and everyone , but a special way the word of god speaks to us is through the catholic church the living word of god carrying on his mission til the end of time , the bible – word of god is not a book it is a person , it is god , and that god is everywhere , but he is especially alive and present in the catholic church where it is easiest to hear his voice and have his message the gospel taught you …
… and fallen men needs an infallible source like the papacy of the catholic church has because even though scripture is inerrant and no error and is sort of infallible being inspired mans fallen mind cannot compute the data properly , the fallen mind can amass great knowledge , but what use is the knowledge if you don’t understand or appreciate it fully , fallen minds have about 5 or 10 % of their normal capacity to understand and appreciate their knowledge and that capacity is very defective , it’s like their mind the supercomputer has a terrible virus ruining all the data so the results from computing the data is chaotic …
… but the popes are given protection so the virus does not affect their magisterium when teaching the universal church on faith and morals , protestants and others need to know just because the bible is perfect and without error does not mean they are too – and this is where they fall down I’m afraid , all must acknowledge their fallen state and limitations and accept what god has done to overcome this for us – the church and papacy …
… the bible is only infallible if you have an infallible source to interpret it , and no fallen man can be infallible – hence a little extra help for the popes , those are my thoughts dear friends …
… may god bless and love you ,
… john …
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