What Does "death of the soul" mean?

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So, we can’t be saved with “death of the soul”, But by Baptism and in Lord Jesus, our soul will be alive and we can be saved. not?

So, What is it about persons lived before Lord Jesus and couldn’t be baptized?
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In addition to Thistle’s contribution…

Jesus reveals to us a God who is not an avenging tyrant but One who has been trying to help us since Adam fell.

In the Old Testament we see God intervening in history and shaping it by choosing a special people (the Jews) for Himself. These he visibly forgave through the Rite of Circumcision which Christian Theologians believe sanctified them and remitted Original Sin. However, when they died these just persons still could not go to Heaven as its gates were closed until Jesus would come and Redeem us fully. Which he did by descending into Hades after his death to free these sanctified/just persons of the past.

And because we know God to be a Father and full of compassion we believe that all just persons who never knew Christ or the God of the Bible or do not seek Baptism through no fault of their own…these will not be lost even though we must consider them under original sin.

As Aquinas said, it is the Church that is limited to the Sacraments (ie Baptism) not God.

So of those you speak of we do not know their fate with certainty but our understanding of God gives a a strong trust that those without opportunity to know God and make a choice for or against Him will in some mysterious way be provided with that opportunity even if it be at the moment of death and so known only to themselves and God.
 
Did good people before Lord Jesus go to damned part of the Hell?

Did they suffer in the Hell?
 
If they were damned they were not good people!

CCC 633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, “hell” - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God. Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into “Abraham’s bosom”: “It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham’s bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell.” Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.
 
What about suffering? Did the good people before Lord Jesus suffer in the Hell?
 
javid said:
What about suffering? Did the good people before Lord Jesus suffer in the Hell?
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“Hell” in English in fact translates different Biblical words and phrases as if they were all exactly the same which is not the case.

The CCC article Thistle provided below makes this very clear.
“The Bosom of Abraham” (sometimes called the highest level of “Hell” is quite different from the lower levels (Gehenna) which involve flame (ie suffering).

What they all have in common is that they are “the abode of the dead.”

You show the very recent assumption that all of “Hell” by definition means suffering.
This is mistaken.

If you start reading the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) you can answer all your questions for yourself.

It is available here.
usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/index.cfm
 
Blue_Horizon said:
“Hell” in English in fact translates different Biblical words and phrases as if they were all exactly the same which is not the case.

The CCC article Thistle provided below makes this very clear.
“The Bosom of Abraham” (sometimes called the highest level of “Hell” is quite different from the lower levels (Gehenna) which involve flame (ie suffering).

What they all have in common is that they are “the abode of the dead.”

You show the very recent assumption that all of “Hell” by definition means suffering.
This is mistaken.

If you start reading the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) you can answer all your questions for yourself.

It is available here.
usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/index.cfm
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At least they couldn’t Enter to Heaven, Before the sacrifice, Not?

If yes, Does it mean good people was out of God’s mercy, before the sacrifice?
 
javid said:
Some body Help!
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The gates of Heaven were closed until the death and resurrection of Christ so the answer is that nobody was in Heaven until after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
 
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