What does while asleep mean?

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Jesus (pbwh) is narrated as offering a parable about a field of of good seed being sown and while the owner of the field sleeps the enemy sows thorns.

What is the meaning behind the owner sleeping?
 
While the shepherds let their guard down and fail to tend the sheep?

IOW, when the Church’s leadership is more involved in the petty foibles of this world, rather than guiding their flock to the next.
 
The thorns are an analogy for the things that hinder spiritual development and keep the mind off of God - greed, lust, anger, etc.
 
The owner sleeping simply shows that he was unaware of the enemy’s actions.

Ruthie
 
The owner sleeping simply shows that he was unaware of the enemy’s actions.

Ruthie
Since several of Jesus’ parables involve “awake” and “watch”, then the sleeping may indicate a neglect of the shepherding duties of the Church.

This has certainly happened in the past, in my opinion.
 
Steven John:

I wonder if you could first speculate on the identity of "the owner.?

Regards,
Joe
 
Jesus (pbwh) is narrated as offering a parable about a field of of good seed being sown and while the owner of the field sleeps the enemy sows thorns.

**The main sower of thorns was Mahomet (ptuy).

God bless the Crusaders!

I confess there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead! **
 
It may refer to the period of time following the death of the apostles, when the apostles were resting in peace. (source)
 
Steven John:

I wonder if you could first speculate on the identity of "the owner.?

Regards,
Joe
Peace to you and yours Joe,
The owner is the Son of Man.

This is not speculation but fact.

Blessings
 
I have been studying the four voices of God in scripture (prophet, priest, king and judge). This study is tentative and should be validated by others. The premise is that four layers of meaning can be derived by recognizing the manner of speech of each voice.

The king speaks literal language about historical events. When the king tells the story, the seed are the good and bad “children” who grow together and are separated at the judgment. Sleep in this case speaks of literal sleep when men revert to instinctive behavior like animals. This is evidenced by behavior of people when woken abruptly from deep sleep. Since instinctive living is the essential nature of original sin, each morning we are reminded that we are more than animals by clothing ourselves and with morning prayers. We establish God’s word as our guide for the day to guard us against original sin.

The judge pronounces divine judgment with earthly consequences. When the judge is heard, he speaks of the word of God in the world from the beginning whereby men are without excuse. False teachings arise immediately in Cain’s descendants. Here sleep speaks of man being dead in sin. This all occurs before the cross. The false teachers will be removed before the harvest just as they were removed in the flood…

The prophet speaks using hidden language of future historical events. In this he speaks of Christ’s death. He is both God and having been made to be sin, sin incarnate. Both are planted in the grave and the sin he bore is removed and burned before the divine wheat is resurrected… In this, sleep is men dead in sin.

When the priest speaks he speaks in symbols of the mysteries of heavenly things. In this He speaks of the flesh and the spirit. He does not allow for anything to prematurely remove us from this world until the spirit has been made mature. Then the flesh is removed as we are raptured into His presence. This is symbolized when the five virgins with oil are separated from the five without oil.
Five is the number of man in the shadows, so the man (five) without the spirit (oil) is sent away before the man with the spirit is permitted to enter. We must put off the old man…In this sleep refers to death from the lack of watchfulness of Adam in the garden when sin was allowed to permeate the flesh.
 
I have been studying the four voices of God in scripture (prophet, priest, king and judge). This study is tentative and should be validated by others. The premise is that four layers of meaning can be derived by recognizing the manner of speech of each voice.

The king speaks literal language about historical events. When the king tells the story, the seed are the good and bad “children” who grow together and are separated at the judgment. Sleep in this case speaks of literal sleep when men revert to instinctive behavior like animals. This is evidenced by behavior of people when woken abruptly from deep sleep. Since instinctive living is the essential nature of original sin, each morning we are reminded that we are more than animals by clothing ourselves and with morning prayers. We establish God’s word as our guide for the day to guard us against original sin.

The judge pronounces divine judgment with earthly consequences. When the judge is heard, he speaks of the word of God in the world from the beginning whereby men are without excuse. False teachings arise immediately in Cain’s descendants. Here sleep speaks of man being dead in sin. This all occurs before the cross. The false teachers will be removed before the harvest just as they were removed in the flood…

The prophet speaks using hidden language of future historical events. In this he speaks of Christ’s death. He is both God and having been made to be sin, sin incarnate. Both are planted in the grave and the sin he bore is removed and burned before the divine wheat is resurrected… In this, sleep is men dead in sin.

When the priest speaks he speaks in symbols of the mysteries of heavenly things. In this He speaks of the flesh and the spirit. He does not allow for anything to prematurely remove us from this world until the spirit has been made mature. Then the flesh is removed as we are raptured into His presence. This is symbolized when the five virgins with oil are separated from the five without oil.
Five is the number of man in the shadows, so the man (five) without the spirit (oil) is sent away before the man with the spirit is permitted to enter. We must put off the old man…In this sleep refers to death from the lack of watchfulness of Adam in the garden when sin was allowed to permeate the flesh.
i am very appreciative of your post and find it insightful for my future scripture reading.

If i take the Son of Man in my question to mean Jesus (pbwh).
Do you have any inspiration of how and when he was “asleep”?

May God bless you and yours for your sharing
 
i am very appreciative of your post and find it insightful for my future scripture reading.

If I take the Son of Man in my question to mean Jesus (pbwh).
Do you have any inspiration of how and when he was “asleep”?

May God bless you and yours for your sharing
Well, the words don’t say the owner slept, it says ‘while men slept.’
So I don’t think the Son of Man slept. In other shadows Christ ‘sleeps’ at the cross, when it represents his death.

In Gen 2:21 you will find the words have two meanings in the double entendre. Sleep = death, rib = limping side, took = married , etc, you can find these in a good Hebrew dictionary.
After unpacking it, it says "And God caused Christ to die, and He died, and married his limping side, and redeemed man.
Of course his limping side is the one with the bruised heel.

One of the basic rules of looking at the shadows is that if the shadow doesn’t look like Christ, it isn’t a shadow of Christ. Although they often give us new insights, they can never tell us something that isn’t true or didn’t happen.

In this case, while men slept the tares were planted. This could not have happened at the cross unless it refers to Christ being the tare. As unpalatable as that is, we remember that he was made to be sin.

This is why I push it back to men being dead in sin. That and the plural “men” places the sleep on men, in my opinion. As I said I am a beginner at this.

Oh, and I don’t know that it is inspiration per se. I follow rules of interpretation that were available at the time of Christ.
 
i am very appreciative of your post and find it insightful for my future scripture reading.

If i take the Son of Man in my question to mean Jesus (pbwh).
Do you have any inspiration of how and when he was “asleep”?

May God bless you and yours for your sharing
Friend,

It is not customary for Christians to wish peace upon Jesus. I know that it is a sign of respect from your point of view, but you run the risk of offending Christians if you include the “pbwh”. Since Jesus is God, we see Him as the source of all peace, so it is therefore unnecessary to wish peace upon Him.

Peace,
Dante
 
Friend,

It is not customary for Christians to wish peace upon Jesus. I know that it is a sign of respect from your point of view, but you run the risk of offending Christians if you include the “pbwh”. Since Jesus is God, we see Him as the source of all peace, so it is therefore unnecessary to wish peace upon Him.

Peace,
Dante
Friend, peace is with the one who is the source.
You have mis quoted me saying i said peace be upon him.

Blessings to you and yours
 
Well, the words don’t say the owner slept, it says ‘while men slept.’
So I don’t think the Son of Man slept. In other shadows Christ ‘sleeps’ at the cross, when it represents his death.

In Gen 2:21 you will find the words have two meanings in the double entendre. Sleep = death, rib = limping side, took = married , etc, you can find these in a good Hebrew dictionary.
After unpacking it, it says "And God caused Christ to die, and He died, and married his limping side, and redeemed man.
Of course his limping side is the one with the bruised heel.

One of the basic rules of looking at the shadows is that if the shadow doesn’t look like Christ, it isn’t a shadow of Christ. Although they often give us new insights, they can never tell us something that isn’t true or didn’t happen.

In this case, while men slept the tares were planted. This could not have happened at the cross unless it refers to Christ being the tare. As unpalatable as that is, we remember that he was made to be sin.

This is why I push it back to men being dead in sin. That and the plural “men” places the sleep on men, in my opinion. As I said I am a beginner at this.

Oh, and I don’t know that it is inspiration per se. I follow rules of interpretation that were available at the time of Christ.
All praise be to God most high.
I give Him thanks for your help.
I need to learn to read propa.
 
For all of the people that have helped with my question i Give thanks to God.
I am grateful for your time and effort.
God bless
 
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