What ever happened to Ishmael?

[chb03c]

I was just in another thread talking about Ishmael and it got me thinking: What ever happened to Ishmael?

 

[asteroid]

The potted biography:

adam2.org/eastons/ebd/T0001900.html#T0001903

There must be a cautionary tale here. From Ishmael came the Arabs who have pretty much quarreled or fought with the Israelites ever since.

If Abraham had fully trusted in the promise God made him, he would never have had a child by Hagar the concubine. Only the child of the promise would have been born and the thousands of years of bitterness that have followed wouldn’t have happened.

Best to trust God when he says something. Even when it’s very, very hard.

As to Ishmael’s place of death or later life nothing much is known.

I assume you don’t mean Ishmael the songwriter who released lots of childrens’ worship albums.

 

[PraRFLEsEkHm]

‘Call me Ishmael…’ (Moby Dick)

Oh, not that Ishmael?

Sorry, half outta my head with cold meds.

Peace

John

 

[Fidelis]

asteroid:

I assume you don’t mean Ishmael the songwriter who released lots of childrens’ worship albums.

Nor the narrator of Herman Melville’s Moby Dick.

Here’s what Genesis says:

Genesis 25:11-18
11 After the death of Abraham God blessed Isaac his son. And Isaac dwelt at Beer-la’hai-roi. 12 These are the descendants of Ish’mael, Abraham’s son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah’s maid, bore to Abraham. 13 These are the names of the sons of Ish’mael, named in the order of their birth: Neba’ioth, the first-born of Ish’mael; and Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, 14 Mishma, Dumah, Massa, 15 Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Ked’emah. 16 These are the sons of Ish’mael and these are their names, by their villages and by their encampments, twelve princes according to their tribes. 17 (These are the years of the life of Ish’mael, a hundred and thirty-seven years; he breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kindred.) 18 They dwelt from Hav’ilah to Shur, which is opposite Egypt in the direction of Assyria; he settled over against all his people.

 

[asteroid]

Fidelis:

Nor the narrator of Herman Melville’s Moby Dick.

Here’s what Genesis says:

I’m not cultured enough to have read Moby Dick.

But British Christian kiddies songs are another matter. My 5 year old daughter loves his praise party albums! We now have 8 of his albums. More than enough probably.

 

[wjp984]

interesting enought I think Muslims beleive the story backwards and switch the characters around where Isaac is the one that was born to the mistress and Ishmael is the true son of Abraham and Sarah.

 

[Liberian]

wjp984:

interesting enought I think Muslims beleive the story backwards and switch the characters around where Isaac is the one that was born to the mistress and Ishmael is the true son of Abraham and Sarah.

If I may offer a slight clarification, I think the Muslims say that Ishmael was indeed Hagar’s son but they do not believe the idea of the “child of promise.” I do know that they say that because Ishmael was the firstborn he received the blessing and the inheritance.

• Liberian

 

[wjp984]

perhaps that is why it was ncessary for Jacob to trick his brother out of his birthright and blessing since if both second borns were the chosen ones then the argument for the first born rule would not stand true to God.

 

[wisdom_3_5]

wjp984:

perhaps that is why it was ncessary for Jacob to trick his brother out of his birthright and blessing since if both second borns were the chosen ones then the argument for the first born rule would not stand true to God.

There is something to the second born theory, but I don’t know what. Perhaps its prophetic.

Abel was born after Cain, Abel presented the acceptable sacrifice.

Shem, Noah’s son, was the third born, he received the blessing.

Moses was born after Aaron (and Miriam but I don’t know if women count in the birth order) Moses was the prophet.

You already mentioned Jacob getting the blessing over Esau.

Jesus’ ancestry is traced back to Judah, the third born of Jacob.

Jacob also blesses Ephriam and not Manasseh (Joseph’s sons), Ephriam is the younger.

And then Christ was preached to the gentiles (a second child?) and spread throughout the world. God talks about Israel being His firstborn.