What happens when we are finished digesting the bread and wine? (Edited title)

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So I’ve recently engaged in a discussion with a Fundie on Youtube. He’s said many odd things, such as that we don’t need philosophers to evangelize the Gospel, and that the Earth is 6,000 years old. But he posed a question about the Eucharist that makes me ponder…

He asked what happens when we are finished digesting the bread and wine? when it becomes urine and fecal matter?

He also said that the Eucharist is taken from pagan sun worship. I remember this doubt arising out of Jack Chick and company, but can somebody help me answer this?
 
The Eucharist is taken from the Bible. Jesus said “Unless you eat My flesh and drink My blood, you have no life in you”. Also, He said “Take this and eat, this is MY body…” Apparently, this guy thinks Jesus was a pagan sun worshipper! Here is a link with more Scriptures that support the Eucharist. This site has a nice breakdown of John 6. A fundamentalist is only going to listen to Scripture so you may find this helpful. The best book I ever read on the Eucharist was “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist” by Brant Pitre. The reason I loved it so much is that it really shows all the places were the Old Testament prefigures the Eucharist. Just in case you are interested…

Regarding “digestion” of the Eucharist. My understanding is that Jesus ceases to be present upon initial digestion. At that point the species begins to be digested and breaks down. According to Catechism 1377 " The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist. Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and whole and entire in each of their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ." The feces/urine issue is a non-factor.
 
So I’ve recently engaged in a discussion with a Fundie on Youtube. He’s said many odd things, such as that we don’t need philosophers to evangelize the Gospel, and that the Earth is 6,000 years old. But he posed a question about the Eucharist that makes me ponder…

He asked what happens when we are finished digesting the bread and wine? when it becomes urine and fecal matter?

He also said that the Eucharist is taken from pagan sun worship. I remember this doubt arising out of Jack Chick and company, but can somebody help me answer this?
pagan sun worship! classic!

Jesus aka God told us about the Eucharist. It wasn’t pagan. I always like to tell the ones who are concerned about the Eucharist.
Go to adoration with me, bring any bible. Read John 6 in its entirety…prove that it isn’t Jesus, if you can…sit and meditate for a half hour…read it through again.

Then lets talk. The worst thing that can happen is they go to adoration for an hour and the seed is planted. 😉
 
pagan sun worship! classic!
Go to adoration with me, bring any bible. Read John 6 in its entirety…prove that it isn’t Jesus, if you can…sit and meditate for a half hour…read it through again.

Then lets talk. The worst thing that can happen is they go to adoration for an hour and the seed is planted. 😉
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Figurative statements given by Christ in Scripture either are metaphors accompanied by explanation, or a designation that it’s a parable, or similes.

John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth *** *AS A BRANCH, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned. In Greek, we have “hos” which indicates a **simile **(using like or as, which the word hos is when used as an adverb, see Thayer’s Lexicon at the link: blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G5613 )

John 10:6 “This **parable **spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.” Greek paroimia

When Jesus’s sincere followers don’t understand him, he explains what he means. Mark 4:34

Enter John 6:

"For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. "

The Jews don’t object to “the Bread is He”. They ask for the bread.

"Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. "

Notice the “Lord”–Jesus has a friendly audience of Jews, not hostile Pharisees and or what have you.

Jesus responds: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst…For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me…”

The Jews: "The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? "

They’re more puzzled why he said he came down from heaven when they know his mom and dad, than the fact he said he was the bread of heaven.

Jesus: "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. "

Eat here is Greek “phago” which is eat or consume. Flesh is Greek “sarx” Thayer’s lexicon says it’s the meat that can be stripped off the bone.

The Jews get very confused and think he is literally saying to eat him: “The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?”

Jesus doesn’t say “You don’t understand the metaphor.” Or “This is the parable of which I speak”

He says, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.”

In Greek, Jesus transitions to the verb “trago” meaning to literally gnaw or vigorously chew. “For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.”

Indeed here is Greek “alethos.” Thayer’s Lexicon lists only one definition: 1) truly, of a truth, in reality, most certainly.

It is here that Truth Himself contradicts those who say it is a symbol only or a metaphor only. (Alethos is used in John 15:1 but in a different sense. The Greek is ή άμπελος ή α̉ληθινὴ, ‘the vine the true’. The Aramaic is, I am that vine of truth. It’s not “truly I’m a vine”)

The disciples take him literally: "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard [this], said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? "
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If Jesus is using a metaphor when he says “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life.” Then he means “Whoso ‘acts cruelly to me’ hath eternal life.” In the Hebrew Lexicon we see that to eat the flesh of someone is an idiom to be cruel to them. link: tinyurl.com/cose3vd**

Remember Mark 4:34 where Jesus sets the precedent of explaining Himself privately?

Jesus brings up eating his flesh privately with his disciples later at the last supper. He doesn’t say it was a parable. He doesn’t use a simile. But He does it in the context of something like a seder meal, where they were told told to eat His Body, during a time of year** when the passover lamb is sacrificed and literally consumed.
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“And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. …For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
 
Later in scripture, Paul asks, The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

I answer yes it is. Others deny it, and say it is no actual communion of the Body, but only a visible symbol of it.

But!
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If this cup is only a figure of the blood, as some think, then we have not more, but less, in the Eucharist than the Jews had in the manna** and the water miraculously provided for their drink. The apostle, too, should have said that we eat the spiritual body and drink the spiritual blood of Christ, that is that which represents them, just as he said that the Jews ate the spiritual meat—the manna, and drank the spiritual drink—the water from the rock. But as a fact he contrasts the blood and the flesh of Christ in the Eucharist, as the reality and the thing signified, with the manna and water, as the figure and spiritual type, signifying the flesh and blood of Christ. Moreover, he calls the manna spiritual meat, i.e., typical, and the water, spiritual drink; but he calls the body of Christ in the Eucharist the body, and the blood the blood. Who, then, can doubt that, as the manna was truly a type and shadow, so in the Eucharist there is really the blood, flesh, and body of Christ?

Paul says, "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body."

Of this Justin Martyr said 50 years after the death of the last Apostle: "We Christians take the Eucharist not as common food, but we believe that, as by the Word of God the Son of God was made man, so by the words of consecration are the body and blood of Christ made to be present in the Eucharist.”

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It’s no more a miracle to believe that bread becomes Christ than God became man.**
 
So I’ve recently engaged in a discussion with a Fundie on Youtube.

He also said that the Eucharist is taken from pagan sun worship. I remember this doubt arising out of Jack Chick and company, but can somebody help me answer this?
jonsorensen.net/2012/10/25/horus-manure-debunking-the-jesushorus-connection/

Horus Manure: Debunking the Jesus/Horus Connection
Posted on October 25, 2012 by JONS1973
—Horus, Bill Maher, and Gerald Massey
This article was published in the Nov-Dec 2012 issue of Catholic Answers Magazine.

Many atheists, neo-pagans, and other disbelievers of Christianity claim the story of Jesus Christ was borrowed from earlier mythologies. In recent years, a claim has been making the rounds that Jesus is based on the Egyptian god, Horus.

Who was Horus?
Horus is one of the oldest recorded deities in the ancient Egyptian religion. Often depicted as a falcon or a man with a falcon head, Horus was believed to be the god of the sun and of war. Initially he appeared as a local god, but over time the ancient Egyptians came to believe the reigning pharaoh was a manifestation of Horus (cf. Encyclopedia Britannica, “Horus”).

What about Jesus?
The skeptical claims being made about Jesus are not always the same. In some versions he was a persuasive teacher whose followers later attempted to deify him by adopting aspects of earlier god-figures, while in others he is merely an amalgamation of myths and never really existed at all. Both versions attempt to provide evidence that the Gospel accounts of the life of Christ are rip-offs.
 
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