What is a Catholic?

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Non Catholics do believe in the Nicene Creed. I was involved in a bible study with a few men from work and the leader of the study brought the in Nicene Creed and asked everyone to recite it. But when it came to the spot where it says Catholic church, he emphsizes small “c” as in catholic and universal church. He used his index finger to point out little “c”.
 
Forgive me, and not to be confrontational, but I see some friction in logic here. How does someone else professing my faith and promising to raise me in the faith necessarily make me a believer in all the Church teaches?
You grow into who you are. Baptism is not my announcment that I have enough faith to recieve it. It is finally recieving by faith what was freely given to me in Baptism.
In the Old Testament, circumcision was the mark on one’s body that gave testimony to the Covenant God has made. The sign IN the body represents a change in the heart.
Baptism is the ‘brand’ or the ‘seal’. Salvation is conveyed to us by the operation of the Spirit through Baptism.
It is God’s declaration, not ours. A helpless infant is the recipiant of God’s Grace.
A Grace that awaits our response.
 
=windlessuser;6017434]The Nicene Creed actually speaks bout Christian’s in general. If you don’t believe in it, u cant be called Christian.
***While the Creeds define what Catholics [and many Christians] believe in summary, they do not in total; define “Cat holism” which needs to include acceptance of the Entire Bible as the “Inspired, and therefore truthful teachings of the Triune Godhead as Teaching from God Himself.” Therefore humble acceptance of all Church Teaching and Papal Instruction on all matters of Faith and Morals become a requirement within the definition of actually “being a Catholic.” [Mt.16:15-19, Mt. 18:18.]

One is not a “Catholic” by simple self proclamation. Rather one is “Catholic” by knowing what we believe, and living it fully. One cannot be a “Catholic” without following all of the Moral laws articulated by His Church, nor can one be a “Catholic” by selective practice of what we are told must be held as matters of Faith.

Being “a Catholic” is not so much what we say we are, but rather, how we know and live our Faith in complete accord with Magisterium Teachings, including Sacred Traditions, which too are founded in the Bible.***

Love and prayers,

Pat
 
the word catholic means universal-it is used that way in the Creed-does not refer to a particular Sect of Christians

catholic is not the same as Roman Catholic -the above post from Pat is a good example of the Fundamentalist Roman catholic thought -which to me is an OK definition of the conservative core of Roman Catholic beliefs

-I suspect less than 20% of Roman catholics belong to this branch as clearly the majority of Roman Catholics (>60%) do not or did not follow the birth control proclamations or for that matter believe in a number of prescribed doctrines or for that matter go to Church (look at Europe)

there are other “Catholics” like the Old Catholics and the Byzantine Catholics and for that matter Anglicans and “high Church” Lutherans -ah probably all Lutherans
 
there are other “Catholics” like the Old Catholics and the Byzantine Catholics and for that matter Anglicans and “high Church” Lutherans -ah probably all Lutherans
just to clarify here, a Byzantine Catholic (or any other Eastern Rite Catholic) is in full Communion with the Holy See of Rome (The Pope). They are just as Catholic as any person in a Latin Rite Church.

old catholics, anglicans, lutherans are not in Communion with the Holy See.
 
It depends on what you mean. So context is important.

Catholic can be a proper noun, with a big C, in which case it is the name of a particular religious community. Just like Orthodox.

The word catholic means universal. It is one of the features of Christianity that it is meant to be for everyone, that the Church believed that the Truth that had been revealed in Jusus Christ was meant to save all people. THis is different from some other popular religions at the time - the mystery religions, Judaism, various forms of gnosticism that were around in the early Church. (By the same token, we can see a similar view in some other religions; Islam and Bhuddism are both meant to be “universal”.)

So it was logical for the Christian Church, which saw itself as unified, to call itself Catholic, and describe itself as Catholic.

However, and here is where Catholics and other groups will begin to part in their understanding of history - at this point the kind of political unity under the Bishop of Rome that is seen in the medieval period did not exist in that form. The Church existed in many places, but they were much more independent, although there were certian privaledges and presedents given to some Bishops, especially the seat of Peter.

Eventually, you get in the 11th century-ish, the Great Schism. This was a break between the two major divisions of the Church, East and West. The seat of Rome had begun to claim more and more power and privileges, and the Eastern Bishops, who were not under the political control of Rome, eventually would have no more of it.

At this point, two groups came from what had been one, what we now call the Catholic Church and the Orthodox. But of course both claim to be catholic and orthodox.🙂 Currantly, the Catholics claim that the Orthodox are part of the Church, while the Orthodox say the Catholics are not.

In the West, the other parts of the Church were pretty firmly under the political control of Rome. However, after some 300 years or so, that political control became less certian, while Rome at the same time developed the doctrines surrounding its special place. This included trying to assert political control over independent nations.

So along comes the various Protestant revolutions, each with their own issues and character. So we have more splits in the unified Church. Many of them, clearly, had a different idea of how the political structure of the Church was meant to work, as well as how it should relate to the secular political powers. They also had a rather different view, in some cases, of what was meant by the unity of the Church than the Catholics or the Orthodox, probably as a result of their own experiences.

But certainly the Germans and the English both considered themselves catholic, as in part of the universal Church meant to save all men. (I am not sure about the Calvinists or the Radicals.) THey also say themselves not as a “new” Church, but as part of a real reformation and continuation of what existed before.

The Catholic Church however, did not consider such groups part of the Church and more (nor did the Orthodox, since they thought the Catholics were out already anyway.)

So today, you will see many who use the term catholic to mean universal in the sense it was meant in the Creed, including Protestants and the Orthodox. The Orthodox are exclusive about it though. THe Catholics also use the term, but insist that it is the same as Catholic, and use it only to include themselves and the Orthodox to some extent.
 
Hey all, The word Catholic was used by Polycarp, as early as 80 AD and was ment to refer to the original body of Christians founded by Jesus the Christ. It was used in this manner exclusivly to mean the original church up to luther and and the other protestors, when the moniker Roman was added by them when they tried to leave the true Church and cling to some of the sacraments and doctrines to lend ligitemacy to the schisms they had fathered. Today Roman Catholic is ment to refer to all the christians in union with Peter, ergo the Pope.
As a former protestant, I myself tried to justify my little branch of baptist religion by looking for links back to the founder, JESUS THE CHRIST, where none existed. My search lead me home to Rome. When the will of Christ becomes the only reason for living by any Christian, that person will swim the Tiber also. I do not stand in judgement on anyone or any religion, but JESUS said to the first Church, he who hears you hears me. He who rejects you rejects me. That explains itself. Blessings. Garland
 
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