What is a Catholic?

[PJM]

=andremiguel;9414205]Labels like progrssive and liberal do more harm than good.
We have to define that in the first place.
He was a deep and outstanding theologian of the XX century. If you are an investigator, you are in the forefront of humanity as he was. Yet, he was a Jesuit and had the 4th vow of Obedience to the Pope.
I do not see him like a Pop Theologican but a profound and deep Thinker with some powerful insights on several matters.

Putting labes aside [even though they Do seem to serve a purpose]

I’d ask you to look at:
americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=10722

www.shc.edu/theolibrary/resources/rahner.htm

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Transfinalization
Rahner was a critic of substance theory and was concerned about the finality of liturgy. He proposed instead to rename transubstantiation into transfinalization. However, this theory was rejected as heretical by Pope Paul VI in the encyclical Mysterium Fidei.citation

And yes I’m aware he was made a cardinal.

FROM: Fr. Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary:
“TRANSFINALIZATION. The view of Christ’s presence in the Eucharist that the purpose or finality of the bread and wine is changed by the words of consecration. They are said to serve a new function, as sacred elements that arouse the faith of the people in the mystery of Christ’s redemptive love. Like transignification, this theory was condemned by Pope Paul VI in the encyclical Mysterium Fidei (1965) if transfinalization is taken to deny the substantial change of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. (Etym. Latin trans-, so as to change +finis, end; purpose.)”

God Bless,
Par

 

[fhansen]

Sometimes we see people saying that they are Catholic with practice (is this the terminology?), relapsed, going into, going out, cradle, converted, half-way, 25%, 75%, Catholic with doubts, desapointed (sic?)Catholic, going to the mass, not going to the mass.

I would like to know your definition of Catholic. Your, means your individual definition.

Now, a Hindu who does works of Charity is a Catholic? Let us remember the Samaritan (who was considered impure) who helped the man robbed and beaten on the was from Jericho to Jerusalem. He was considered Christian, follower of Jesus, more than the Jews, the priest and the other who did not help him.

A Catholic who goes or does not go to mass is or is not a Catholic?

Just asking for thoughts…Thanks.

A person who assents to Catholic doctrine because they’ve come to* agree *with it.

 

[andremiguel]

Putting labes aside [even though they Do seem to serve a purpose]

I’d ask you to look at:
americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=10722

www.shc.edu/theolibrary/resources/rahner.htm

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Transfinalization
Rahner was a critic of substance theory and was concerned about the finality of liturgy. He proposed instead to rename transubstantiation into transfinalization. However, this theory was rejected as heretical by Pope Paul VI in the encyclical Mysterium Fidei.[citation

And yes I’m aware he was made a cardinal.

FROM: Fr. Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary:
“TRANSFINALIZATION. The view of Christ’s presence in the Eucharist that the purpose or finality of the bread and wine is changed by the words of consecration. They are said to serve a new function, as sacred elements that arouse the faith of the people in the mystery of Christ’s redemptive love. Like transignification, this theory was condemned by Pope Paul VI in the encyclical Mysterium Fidei (1965) if transfinalization is taken to deny the substantial change of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. (Etym. Latin trans-, so as to change +finis, end; purpose.)”

God Bless,
Par

Taken from
therealpresence.org/archives/Faith/Faith_006.htm
“Quote Karl Rahner, “the more recent approaches suggest the following considerations, one has to remember that the words of institution indicate a change. But not give any guiding line for the interpretation of the actual process. As regarding transubstantiation it may be said, the substance, essence, meaning and purpose of the bread are identical but the meaning of a thing can be changed without changing the matter. The meaning of the bread has been changed through the consecration something which served profane use now becomes the dwelling place and the symbol of Christ who is present and gives Himself to His own.”

I do not see nothing against the RCC doctrine. Now in the same site takes one conclusion that Rahner does not say here, in their quote!!!

Note that Rahner says that “becomes the dwelling place and the symbol of Christ”. It is an image “dwelling” and you can discuss the image but dwelling is where Christ is.

Remember that one who makes theology may fall into errors. Only those who do not write about theology do not make mistakes. But I never saw Rahner go out of the Church or disobey. He was a faithful theologians what, at present times and at the times of the Council, is outstanding.
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[animalis]

The Church teaches that the Pope is the visible source of **unity **throughout the Church. Catholic means universal. Universality requires unity. Therefore ascent to the Pope and his publications indicates Catholicism.

Furthermore, there is a term baptism by desire, and therewith the church teaches that a person can be catholic without being baptised.

Sorry that I do not have the citations to the authoritative sources. You can take my word for it. Or someone else may post the sources if they are familiar.

 

[animalis]

The Church teaches that the Pope is the visible source of **unity **throughout the Church. Catholic means universal. Universality requires unity. Therefore ascent to the Pope and his publications indicates Catholicism.

Furthermore, there is a term baptism by desire, and therewith the church teaches that a person can be catholic without being baptised.

Sorry that I do not have the citations to the authoritative sources. You can take my word for it. Or someone else may post the sources if they are familiar.

Here are two citations from the Catechism:

The Church teaches that the Pope is the visible source of **unity **throughout the Church.

“The Pope…is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and the whole company of the faithful.” (CCC 882)

the church teaches that a person can be catholic without being baptised.

“Catechumens are already joined to the Church, they are already of the household of Christ, and are quite frequently already living a life of faith, hope, and charity. With love and solicitude mother Church already embraces them as her own.” (CCC 1249)

 

[andremiguel]

The Church teaches that the Pope is the visible source of **unity **throughout the Church. Catholic means universal. Universality requires unity. Therefore ascent to the Pope and his publications indicates Catholicism.

Furthermore, there is a term baptism by desire, and therewith the church teaches that a person can be catholic without being baptised.

Sorry that I do not have the citations to the authoritative sources. You can take my word for it. Or someone else may post the sources if they are familiar.

For me that makes sense. What distinguishes a Catholic from others is the obedience to the Pope and many have gone astray because they did not want to obey. Protestant for instance.
Moreover your second point is very good.