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kdganey1991
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That Jesus’ sacrifice was not enough and we need to sacrifice more? What justification do we have for having a sacrifice of a mass? Does that conflict with our Lord’s Passion, Death, and Resurrection?
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stevekehl
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Here’s a good start.
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Matthew_28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Hebrews 10:10 So we are made holy because Christ obeyed God and offered himself once for all. 11 The priests do their work each day, and they keep on offering sacrifices that can never take away sins. 12 But Christ offered himself as a sacrifice that is good forever. Now he is sitting at God’s right side, 13 and he will stay there until his enemies are put under his power. 14 By his one sacrifice he has forever set free from sin the people he brings to God.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
2Co 5:15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Matthew_28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Hebrews 10:10 So we are made holy because Christ obeyed God and offered himself once for all. 11 The priests do their work each day, and they keep on offering sacrifices that can never take away sins. 12 But Christ offered himself as a sacrifice that is good forever. Now he is sitting at God’s right side, 13 and he will stay there until his enemies are put under his power. 14 By his one sacrifice he has forever set free from sin the people he brings to God.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
2Co 5:15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
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jpjd
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This person’s claim is wrong. The whole reason for Jesus’ resurrection is that His sacrifice IS enough. That’s why He was resurrected! His death atoned for our sin, death was defeated, life was restored…and we receive that life in our soul in Communion.
Our justification for having a sacrifice of the Mass is not to sacrifice again, as though the one sacrifice was not enough! We are NOT sacrificing again. We are re-presenting the one sacrifice, making it present.
At the Last Supper, Jesus told us that the bread IS His Body and the wine IS His Blood, and to do this in remembrance of Him. And so we do. And through the words of consecration of the priest and by the power of the Holy Spirit, the bread and wine become the Body and Blood, soul and divinity of Christ. And we receive Him in Communion and He nourishes our soul with His divine life.
This is all because the one sacrifice IS enough!
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kdganey1991
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Interesting… have to meditate on that with the guidance of the Holy Spirit…
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Gorgias
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KD,
Each year, when you gather to celebrate your birthday, does that mean that your birth “wasn’t enough”? Does it mean that, somehow, a birthday party gives birth to you in a way that’s “more birth”? What justification do we have for having a celebration of a birthday? Does it conflict with your own day of birth?
So, why have the Mass? Well… isn’t it enough justification that Jesus told us to “do this in memory of me”? Better yet – what justification do we have for not celebrating the Mass, since Jesus explicitly told us to do it?!?!?!?
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1AugustSon7
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Yes. And an extremely important point.
This statement I suspect could use some fine tuning, so to speak, but the general idea sounds correct. Some believe that once or if the Holy Sacrifice ceases to be offered that it would equate to the end of the world as God’s just and holy wrath for sin would no longer be propitiated. That we are increasingly living in an age stained with the guilt of Soddom and Gomorrah cannot help.
Correct.
The New Covenant is sealed up so to speak in the Mass, and the Church has always understood the centrality of this mystery to the whole Christian dispensation. Afterall, He commanded us to actually “do this” i.e. perform that very thing. The sense is clearly perpetual and it would be a senseless (pointless) command if it had no meaning or effect. The “in remembrance of Me” is a suitable translation and conveys the sense only if one is conscious of the actual ‘re-membrance’ i.e., to literally ‘re-’ (meaning again) and ‘member’ (as in a member of the body) ourselves to Him. To literally remember is to re-attach or reunite. Catholic translators often translated this to in commemoration of Me I think because the Protestants reduced the meaning of remember or employed it in the sense of a bare or vague recalling or simple thinking of or about Him (as if we weren’t already expected to always be conscious of Him).
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Edmundus1581
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Who said that?
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fhansen
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No, it doesn’t conflict with our Lord’s Passion, Death, and Resurrection; it makes them known. The sacrifice is efficacious forever.and, at the Mass, that sacrifice is continuously proclaimed by being re-presented, as was mentioned before.
**“For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes”.**1 Cor 11:26
The true Church has always taken the Eucharist very seriously
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NHInsider
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A start on what? Proving, disproving?
Right. He is our great High Priest as well as the Once-for-all Victim.
Essential but not sure how it is pertinent to this discussion?
So frequently taken out of context that people miss the entire point. The “priests” and the “sacrifices that can never take away sins” are those of the Old Covenant - the whole book of Hebrews is a treatise detailing the ways that the New Covenant (in Jesus’ blood) both fulfills and is far superior to the Old Covenant. The sacrifice that we offer is in fact the One Perfect Sacrifice of Jesus, who sits at the right hand of the Father. We are in time, God is in eternity.
Precisely.
That you might think that these verses disprove the Sacrifice of the Mass suggests that you don’t understand what the Sacrifice of the Mass is.
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jpjd
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That is not Catholic belief.
Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross happened once in time but because He was risen from the dead and He ascended into heaven, His offering to the Father is eternal. (Rev. 5:6 “I saw…a Lamb that seemed to have been slain.”) We celebrate the Mass not to appease God, for that was already done once and for all on Calvary. We celebrate the Mass to make that offering present, to partake of His risen Body and Blood – food for our souls – to receive the grace that His sacrifice merited, so that we might have eternal life.
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yosupman
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I would simply reply how absurd! How can a man with a finite existence and fickle love add anything to the infinite eternal loving God? What a joke.
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Todd_Easton
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There is no conflict because the sacrifice of the Mass (or the Lord’s Supper, as in 1 Cor 11:20) is a participation in Jesus’ sacrifice. St. Paul said, “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?” (1 Corinthians 10:16)
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