What is a Non-Catholic Franscican? Like the third order Fransiscans

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Not in the sense of “become Catholic even if you have disagreements,” but rather, “become Catholic if there are not inherent reasons not to become Catholic.”

Of course some Anglicans have serious objections to becoming Catholic.

But some are just born Anglican, are very Catholic leaning, and just don’t hop over for whatever reason – pride, circumstance, intellectual laziness, etc.

In other words, a lot of the division out there is entirely unnecessary.*

*I think any Christian could agree with this, at least.
 
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This way of thinking is very reductionist, and honestly, unhelpful. Even those who were “just born” into xyz Protestant religion have beliefs that are in conflict with Catholicism. You should listen to conversion stories from high church Anglicans and Lutherans. They struggle just as much as evangelicals.
 
Well, I tried to clarify here:
Not in the sense of “become Catholic even if you have disagreements,” but rather, “become Catholic if there are not inherent reasons not to become Catholic.”
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Just bluntly looking at the numbers – tens of thousands of denominations – it is HIGHLY probable that these do not constitute actual obstacles and issues worth dividing over. We, as humans – Catholic and Protestant – are prideful, ignorant, and sometimes just lazy. It’s not always legitimate intellectual/doctrinal issues that cause the lasting division among Christians.
 
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WHOAAAAAA a forum template change???

Did that just happen to your guys’ forum too?
 
catholic1seeks said:
Just bluntly looking at the numbers – tens of thousands of denominations – it is HIGHLY probable that these do not constitute actual obstacles and issues worth dividing over. We, as humans – Catholic and Protestant – are prideful, ignorant, and sometimes just lazy.
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Bless your heart (just to clarify… this was not meant as a prejorative, but actually as a blessing for what might be a good intention that’s coming out all kinds of wrong)…

Good luck evangelizing with that kind of attitude. You don’t win converts by being dismissive of their sincerely held objections to Catholicism.

I’m bowing out of this conversation.
 
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I seem to have struck a nerve.

I honestly, honestly, don’t see how anything I said just now was controversial. Your profile says you are converting to Catholicism from Protestantism. Do you not agree that much of the division in Protestantism and even in the Catholic Church is unnecessary and due to non doctrinal issues?

And please don’t ever diminish my dignity by “blessing my heart” again, thanks.
 
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Of course, one way to put a positive spin on this reality would be to say the Franciscan and other religious orders found in Protestant churches are a bond of unity with the Catholic Church. Catholicism teaches that non-Catholic Christians share in various ways in the fullness of the faith, including, in this case, various spiritualities that arose in the Catholic Church. The caveat would be that these true gifts belonging to Christ’s church, in fact, promote full catholic unity.

…which was the basis for my saying we ought to strive for full visible communion, rather than setting up our own Catholic copies that are inherently divided from one another.
 
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On the other hand one could say that a Protestant following after St.Francis may be on the way to converting to the Catholic Church. It’s never a bad thing to imitate a Catholic saint.
 
Yeah! That’s what I meant above about the “bond of unity.” All true Christian things belong to the one church.

From Lumen Gentium:
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.
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Even those who were “just born” into xyz Protestant religion have beliefs that are in conflict with Catholicism.
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And sometimes, Catholicism is wrong about those beliefs and the Protestant is closer to being right.
 
This needs to be clarified.

As in Catholic doctrines are wrong?
 
True, I guess I just don’t understand what your reply means in the context of mrsdizzy’s post.
 
People come to Catholicism from other denominations and bring with then an array of ooinions, teachings, understandings. Some of what they bring may be incorrect, some may not. What is true needs to received with joy, not rejected just because it differs from Catholicism.
 
I know my Lutheran church has a handful of religious. They follow the rule of their equivalent Catholic-sibling order, and are under their respective bishop’s supervision.
But it’s neither common nor well known.
 
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