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cascherman
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Oh, our beliefs will be tested, maybe not today or tomorrow, but they will be tested none the less.
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Namesake
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Try to remember that we are discussing the here and now. Generally speaking matters of faith are not subjected to refutation. That would be an oxymoron as well as illogical.
Science is subjected to refutation, even welcomes the challenge because science searches for objective truth. Religion isn’t about objective truth, it’s about faith.
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cascherman
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???
Listen… I assume you believe we will all be enlightened after the Second Coming of Christ, right?
That’s all I was saying…
I may be assuming but… Don’t argue with me just because I’m Catholic and you are Protestant and you feel we must be wrong in everything we say. What I said was not an debate point, I was being rhetorical. Not interested in arguing.
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bluestarsneyes
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If Protestants are being labeled simply as Non-Catholics would Catholics really not be qualified based on Peter, Paul, John and Jesus to be
Non-Jews???
It seems this is just another protestant smash posting…kind of pointless if you ask me again…wait…maybe no one is asking me…
Well as a Theologian that has attended many various Protestant and Catholic churches…I’ve probably got a better outlook than most.
That’s what you get when you have Hippy parents that travel to sing Christian music though…a little taste of it all is seems!
Non-Jews???
It seems this is just another protestant smash posting…kind of pointless if you ask me again…wait…maybe no one is asking me…
Well as a Theologian that has attended many various Protestant and Catholic churches…I’ve probably got a better outlook than most.
That’s what you get when you have Hippy parents that travel to sing Christian music though…a little taste of it all is seems!
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A.Pelliccio
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Orange huns who parade around Norther Ireland with their bowlers and suppress and usurp the rights of the Catholic majority.
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episcogirl
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Whoa there. You make it sound as if I’ve got a fork and pitchfork ready to drive you out of town.
I find it ironic your siggy quotes St. Augustine…he is really “big” in my church.
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Alexius
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episcogirl
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:bowdown: I bow to your superior use of imagery. But I’m not worshipping you, let’s get that straight. 
Seriously, is it possible NOT to be anti-Catholic but yet not be Catholic (using the big “C” to show the RC church and not little “c” to signify the meaning of the word catholic = universal)
Seriously, is it possible NOT to be anti-Catholic but yet not be Catholic (using the big “C” to show the RC church and not little “c” to signify the meaning of the word catholic = universal)
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Alexius
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I tend to agree. By calling all non-Catholics “anti-Catholic,” it includes those who are ignorant or just prefer to stay where they are…When think anti-_______, I think of those who are actively against a certain belief or system. It is uncharitable to broadly use the term, IMHO.:bowdown: I bow to your superior use of imagery. But I’m not worshipping you, let’s get that straight.
Seriously, is it possible NOT to be anti-Catholic but yet not be Catholic (using the big “C” to show the RC church and not little “c” to signify the meaning of the word catholic = universal)
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
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episcogirl
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Saying you are anti-____________ (whatever) carries with it (rightly or wrongly) the connotation that you are strongly against ________ and would fight against it. So I would have to agree with you agreeing with me. Um…it’s getting late, maybe I’d better quit while I’m ahead.
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Alexius
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I think it’s “guilt by association…”
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John_Hiner
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Laudatur Iesus Christus.
I do not think this would be fair comment.
The Church maintains the religion of Israel as practiced in the Temple and under the laws of Moses. The coming of the predicted Messiah has perfected this religion and many of the punitive and pedagogic laws have expired by their own terms. However, the religion of the Church authentically continues to the pre-Christian religion of Jerusalem and contains more of its recognizable elements than any branch of modern Judaism: e.g. the Holy Sacrifice, the priesthood, blessings, ritual washings, incense and holy fire, loyalty and service to the reigning heir of the Davidic throne, etc. The Catholic Faith is the perfected religion of Israel.
“Judaism” or “Rabbinic Judaism” was devised after the fall of the Temple as a way of distinguishing those Jews who refused to follow Christ, even after the destruction of Jerusalem, from the Catholic Church.
It would be more accurate to say that rabbinic Judaism is an attempt to form a “non-Catholic Judaism” in the same sense that Protestantism is an attempt to form a “non-Catholic Christianity.”
The Church’s maintenance and nurturing of these living roots of religion give hope of shared understandings and eventual re-union between the Catholic Church and these separated groups.
Pax Christi nobiscum.
John Hiner
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Delraek
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Not “liking” or following a teaching does NOT make the teaching false!let me name one. catholic teachings on contraception & death penalty is so false that many catholics dont follow it.
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bluestarsneyes
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John_Hiner
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Laudatur Iesus Christus.
Dear Bluestarsneyes:
Questions are no impediment, they are the spur of thought. I am not sure about the tone of your comments. Are you willing and interested to consider the Mosaic law and its perfection in the Catholic Faith, or are you speaking ironically as a way of dismissing the idea without examination?
By way of a preliminary indication that Moses himself proclaimed his laws to be temporary, I offer the following three passages:
"These are the statutes and decrees which you must be careful to observe in the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, has given you to occupy, as long as you live on its soil. (Deuteronomy (NAB) 12:1.)
This is a general condition placed on the pronouncements of the “second law” or “Deuteronomy.” It limits the terms of the laws to the period while Israel possessed the land of Cana. This period came to a definitive end with the destruction of the earthly Jerusalem and the Temple by the Roman army. Christ had predicted this destruction and given Israel 40 years for the people to soften their hearts. Many did and they were saved from the destruction by Jesus’ warnings to flee. The Jews who would not heed the Lord (as Moses had instructed) were destroyed or dispersed by the Romans. This was the definitive end of the temporary provisions of the Mosaic laws, which were imposed as penalties for the apostasies of the Golden Calf and the Baal of Peor.
"The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren – him you shall heed (Deuteronomy (RSV) 18:15.)
This is Moses’ prediction that Jesus will appear and issue revisions of the law, which will supercede the temporary portions of the Mosaic law. This is the meaning of Jesus’ saying “The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void.” (Luke (RSV) 16:16-17.) A law is not “void” when it expires by its own terms.
Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel (RSV) 20:25-26.)
This prophecy of Ezekiel states explicitly that the laws of Moses were not meant to be permanent; they are called “not good” and explicitly declared not to be “livable.” This discloses that the animal sacrifices were intended to wean Israel from the gods of Egypt, the gods of the stomach or “fleshpots,” so as to prepare the people for the Gospel, which is the “circumcision of the heart” which Moses predicted as God’s final goal, in pursuit of which the curses of the Mosaic law would be imposed on Israel. See, Deuteronomy 30:6.
I am eager to explore the details of this part of Salvation history. I have never taken the time to trace out the details of the terms and conditions of the Mosaic law, so as to discern exactly which laws expired, which were transformed but maintained, and which, like the Decalogue, remain substantially in effect. If you are willing to explore these issues in detail, I will be glad to undertake the matter with you.
For background reading on these ideas, Dr. Scott Hahn’s online course on the Covenants of the Old Testament might be of interest, especially “Covenant Love: Introducing the Biblical Worldview”, Lesson IV, “After the Golden Calf,” at salvationhistory.com/online/intermediate/class1_lesson4_3.cfm.
Pax Christi nobiscum.
John Hiner
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JMBNH
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What about the Utrecht Union Old Catholic Churches are they protestant? If not then nor is the Anglican Church or the High Lutheran Churches of Scandinavia and the Baltics (the German and Dutch Lutheran churches are definitely protestant though, don’t know much about the American ones). Not as clear cut as it sounds, as to me the above churches are more ‘Diet Catholic’ for want of a better expression and have little in common with other protestant churches
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Syele
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Manny, I love comments like that… Means I’m not a protestant.
I agree with a whole lot of Catholic things.
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inthecloud
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Sorry Many Fit.
Protestant is some one that believes in:
Protestant is some one that believes in:
- Sola Scritpura
- Sola Fide
- The Pharisees Old Testament.
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Syele
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well that cuts out at least 65% of non-Catholic Christians… if not more…- Status