What is acceptable when dating or "courtship"

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Hello…I recently started dating the woman of my dreams. A nice Catholic woman who is everything I have ever desired in a future wife. I thought I was a strong Catholic…but she makes me want to be a better man and Catholic. She is wonderful and I can not say enough good things about her. My question for you all is what are the boundaries for Courtship? I am definitely against pre-marital sex, etc…but I was just wondering what you all consider boundaries. I want this relationship to last…it is of the utmost importance. We have been “dating” for quite a while now and I haven’t attempted to even kiss her goodnight yet, because I want to play my cards right. Thanks a lot.
 
HI dumspirospero

I read a good book on this topic called ‘Real Love’ by Mary Beth Bonacci’.

To specifically answer your question think about this.

Imagine you are the father of a 16 year old daughter who you love very much. She has started dating a boy who is 19 and has a panel van. As the father of this girl, how fare would you let this boy go with your daughter? The answere you give needs to be applied to you and your girlfriend.

The book also gives good reasons as to why you should wait until marriage. Did you know that research has found that the people who enjoy sex the most are those who are religious married people who have left sex until marriage.

Steve
 
I don’t think there are any set in stone rules- it would be nice if there were b/c it would make it easier/clearer. But this is one of those issues that is left to us individually to decide on.

If I were you, I’d talk to her about your relationship. Tell her how you feel, and where you’d like to see things go. It doesn’t have to be a detailed point-by-point monologue, but just something to give her an idea of where you’re coming from. If she feels the same way then you can bring up the issue of boundaries. This is something you will have to decide upon as a couple, and I am sure that common sense along with prudence and a desire to make this relationship one that is glorifying to God will lead you to the right decisions.

Talking to her about it is going to be more important than all of the advice or rules that are given to you from outsiders.

Best wishes to you in this relationship!
 
I thought “courtship” was more for teenagers?

My adult friends “date” with a lower case d, not upper case D. This allows them to learn about them in natural public settings, walk away no strings attached if s/he isn’t interested.

I’m just a year older then you, and when my single friends have a date, they usually don’t tell me right away. Usually after a few weeks I will have a girlfriend or my husband has a friend in which they tell us they have met someone. “I’ve met someone, he is x,y, and z.” We are there just to bounce ideas off each other about relationships. I just listen and ask questions to my friends.

Our friends have learned not to get excited all over one date and tells us about it. When they are ready to tell us about someone, we’re here.
 
Get a copy of Tommy Nelson’s CD “God’s Design for Intimacy” available through Focus on the Family (www.family.org). Nelson is a Texas Bible preacher who addresses sexuality in marriage in this roll-on-the-floor laughing treatment of the Song of Solomon. Here is one area where Catholics and Evangelicals have NO conflict!

God bless you and your beautiful young woman.
 
JPII’s book, Love and Responsibility, details the moral obligation we have to never, ever use anyone for own gain or selfish pleasure. He believes the opposite of love is not hate, but use. He says the only proper response to anyone is love–not use.

This can be a battle for many in physical relationships–we want to be affectionate and love the other for his or her own sake, never seeking to use them as a mean’s for gratification. We should strive to have our outward signs of affection reflect inner truth–we cross the line when we seek the emotional and/or physical satisfaction as an end to itself–“because it feels good”–and not out of showing love to the other. Any affectionate gesture–from holding hands to married couples loving one another through intercourse–should have the message of affirming the other’s inherent goodness.

The above is all paraphrased from Christopher West, but this is a direct quote from his book, *Good News About Sex & Marriage, *“Physical behaviors that aim to prepare the body for sexual intercourse (fondling each other’s genitals or breasts, and even some kinds of extended kissing and embracing) are not appropriate expressions of affection for the unmarried. When there is simply no moral possibility of consummated love, it is, in fact UNLOVING to arouse someone to the point of physical craving for intercourse.”

However, there is a difference between dating and engaged couples. Fr. Paul Quay, in his book, *The Christian Meaning of Human Sexuality, *“Those who are engaged, since they are committed to each other, even though not yet fully, have sufficient reason to manifest their love, even by prolonged kissing and embracing…provided, of course that this leads neither of them into sin [using the other for selfish gratificatin, for example], provided they do not get themselves violently overwrought [to the point of climax or temptation to masturbate, for example], and provided the engagement does not go on forever.” (Interjections by Chris West.)

Hope these thoughts help!
Abby
 
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renee1258:
I thought “courtship” was more for teenagers?
I’m 30 and my fiance is 28. After 2 years together, and one full year engaged, I still court her. And I’m going to keep courting her after our wedding. In fact, I plan to keep courting her for the rest of my life. 🙂
 
That is the problem is these discussions, everyone has there own definition with these terms. :confused:
 
Can you do enjoy a date knowing your grandparents might walk into the room at any minute? ACCEPTABLE

Do you enjoy a date praying parents/grandparents dont catch ya?
UN-ACCEPTABLE.

That was the way it was explained to me…real simple way for me to know where that line in the sand was drawn.
 
Regardless of people’s varying opinions on “courtship vs. dating” and the definition of each of those terms, the important thing for you is this: If you’re doing something that doesn’t arouse you or her, it’s probably okay. If it arouses either of you, or tempts either of you (occasion of sin), then STOP. As a couple, only you know where to draw the line with each other and nobody on a forum can tell you precisely where that is. If you find you’re getting aroused but you keep going, then there is sin. If you stop right away, there is no sin.

Plus, a good Catholic woman will be very very impressed with a man who knows how to show love, but can still control himself and keep his hands from where they don’t belong. And I say this as a guy.
 
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Jay74:
I’m 30 and my fiance is 28. After 2 years together, and one full year engaged, I still court her. And I’m going to keep courting her after our wedding. In fact, I plan to keep courting her for the rest of my life. 🙂
I applaud you, what a wonderful relationship you will continue to have.:clapping:
 
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mkw:
Can you do enjoy a date knowing your grandparents might walk into the room at any minute? ACCEPTABLE

Do you enjoy a date praying parents/grandparents dont catch ya?
UN-ACCEPTABLE.

That was the way it was explained to me…real simple way for me to know where that line in the sand was drawn.
I like that.
 
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