What is compelling about RC belief?

[TheHolyGhost]

What we as Catholics claim is that the substance changes, not the physical nature.
This is a spiritual truth, not a physical tranformation.
It is a strawman to say that transubstantiation can’t be true since there is no physical proof of this.

This discussion of truth is philisophical, and that does not mean untrue.

When we talk about the substance (SUB stance) of something, we are not talking about the surface of it.
The physical nature of WmJackP is that he is a person, but that does not come close to stating the substance of WmJackP, of who he is.

You are more than your physical attributes.
For example, let’s say you were in a sword fight and lost your arm. (yuck, i know, but work with me here )
You don’t look at the arm on the ground and say ‘That’s me’, you say ‘That’s my arm’.
You are more than your physical attributes.
Science tells us that the cells in your body are no more than 10 years old due to regeneration. Yet, you have memories older than this.
You are more than your physical attributes.

The existence of God is not a science question since science is limited to only the physical universe.
Only atheists seems to want to make God a science question.

We do not believe God is the biggest thing in the universe, we believe he is outside the universe itself. He isn’t just a part of existence, He is existence.
This is why the Jews called him ‘I Am’.

It is easy to strawman and knock the faith as taught to a child, but we are not children on this board. Our faith is not the simplistic view others think it to be. You must allow us some credit as thinkers.
Are there any faithful philosophers in history that you respect as great thinkers?

Cheers, brother!

Actually ive been corrected on this site before that Catholic belief doesnt state that bread and wine is only a spiritual truth, but it id to be taken very literally that the bread and wine when consecrated actually IS the Body and Blood of Christ and that the bread and wine lose their properties.

If it was only a spiritual truth that would be easier to understand. I must say that I cant wrap my mind around the concept of bread and wine literally becoming flesh amd blood when they still taste like bread and wine when I eat and drink them.

 

[livingwordunity]

“What is compelling about RC belief?”

It was founded by Jesus, and Jesus proved that he is God. The Catholic Church was able to supplant the most powerful and feared empire in human history without a war or rebellion. The growth, longevity, continuity, and consistency of doctrines of the Catholic Church far surpasses any other centralized institution in human history, and even an atheist can observe this if he is willing to take a look and try to compare. The Catholic Church is still here because Jesus (God) guaranteed it. If the Catholic Church had been been a merely man-made institution it would have been destroyed long ago.

 

[cazayoux]

Actually I’ve been corrected on this site before that Catholic belief doesn’t state that bread and wine is only a spiritual truth, but it id to be taken very literally that the bread and wine when consecrated actually IS the Body and Blood of Christ and that the bread and wine lose their properties.

If it was only a spiritual truth that would be easier to understand. I must say that I cant wrap my mind around the concept of bread and wine literally becoming flesh amd blood when they still taste like bread and wine when I eat and drink them.

You seem to take my use of the word ‘spiritual’ as meaning ‘symbolic’, and this couldn’t be further from the truth.

Do we believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Symbolic? Of course, not.
Something that is ‘spiritual’ is absolutely literal.
Literal and Spiritual are not opposites, but tie completely together.
The opposite of Spiritual would be Physical.

I maintain that this is a spiritual, a REAL literal truth that the bread and wine (spiritually, really, LITERALLY) become the body and blood of Christ, and the physical retains the taste and feel of bread and wine.

Cheers.