What is essential to confirmation?

[asteroid]

Just wondering -

What are the ESSENTIAL things needed for the confirmation of an adult? What would HAVE to be a part of the rite for the confirmation to be valid?

I’m asking this as someone who was confirmed in the Anglican Church - the promises are the same, the anointing with chrism is the same, the words spoken are the same. The only real difference is that the confirmation was done by an Anglican Bishop rather than, as would be the case for me, a Catholic Priest.

My baptism was in another church entirely but is seen as valid because the right ‘form’ was used and the Trinitarian formula was used. Actually they used every possible formula from scripture - in the name of the F, S & HS, in the name of Jesus, into the church etc, (I can’t remember them all). The baptism cannot be repeated because it ‘imprints a character’ (Canon Law 845).

My confirmation was in the Anglican church. For which reasons is this seen as not valid? For which reasons can Anglican confirmation be said not to ‘imprint a character’ or ‘confer a character’. For which reasons was I not ‘enriched with the gift of the Holy Spirit’ at that time? Why do I have to be reconfirmed when I do not have to be rebaptised?

Just wondering! - and probably for reasons of impatience and jealousy as much as any other. Large desire building within to receive the body of Christ in the eucharist so hunting for non-existent loopholes. But it’s also in part an honest wondering - if my confirmation didn’t ‘confer a character’, why not? And if it did, how can I be confirmed again?

Blessings

Asteroid

 

[Cephas]

Due to time restraints, I have to make this quick.

Ultimately, what is needed for the sacrament of confirmation is a Bishop (Catholic) not a priest. A priest who performs this Sacrament was given the 'O.K." by the Bishop, but the Bishop is the ordinary minister of the sacrament.

Now, there is a major difference between a Catholic bishop and an Anglican Bishop. One has received TRUE ordination while the other has not. What I mean by TRUE, is continuity. The authority of Jesus Christ was given, by HIM, to His Church to act in His name. In this Church, and in this Church alone, is found the continuity of the passing on of this authority.

Confirmation needs a Catholic Bishop in order to be valid.

ill try to be back later…hope this atleast beginns to help

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

asteroid:

Just wondering -

What are the ESSENTIAL things needed for the confirmation of an adult? What would HAVE to be a part of the rite for the confirmation to be valid?

I’m asking this as someone who was confirmed in the Anglican Church - the promises are the same, the anointing with chrism is the same, the words spoken are the same. The only real difference is that the confirmation was done by an Anglican Bishop rather than, as would be the case for me, a Catholic Priest.

My baptism was in another church entirely but is seen as valid because the right ‘form’ was used and the Trinitarian formula was used. Actually they used every possible formula from scripture - in the name of the F, S & HS, in the name of Jesus, into the church etc, (I can’t remember them all). The baptism cannot be repeated because it ‘imprints a character’ (Canon Law 845).

My confirmation was in the Anglican church. For which reasons is this seen as not valid? For which reasons can Anglican confirmation be said not to ‘imprint a character’ or ‘confer a character’. For which reasons was I not ‘enriched with the gift of the Holy Spirit’ at that time? Why do I have to be reconfirmed when I do not have to be rebaptised?

Just wondering! - and probably for reasons of impatience and jealousy as much as any other. Large desire building within to receive the body of Christ in the eucharist so hunting for non-existent loopholes. But it’s also in part an honest wondering - if my confirmation didn’t ‘confer a character’, why not? And if it did, how can I be confirmed again?

Blessings

Asteroid

In order for a Sacrament to take place the Sacrament must have the proper “Form” the words determined by the Church. The proper “Matter” in the case of Confirmation the laying on of the hands. The proper “Intent” to confirm in the Faith and to call down the Holy Spirit. A fourth requirement is the “Proper Minister” in the case of Confirmation, the Ordinary Minister is a validly Ordained Bishop. An extraordinary minister of Confirmation is a Priest who has received the authority to act in the place of the validly Ordained Bishop for that particular celebration of the Sacrament.

In the case of Baptism. The Ordinary minister is a Bishop, Priest or Deacon (with permission). Any Lay person may Baptize validly also as an extraordinary minister. This should be reserved to emergency situations.