what is Joshua Project?

[pjk123]

**Joshua Project is a war-like project to invade and Christianise India. It has collected the necessary population data about each village and town in India, and has prepared the area specific strategy to bring maximum conversions. **

what is the goals?are they focussing on eliminating hindus in India?do they want to have forced conversion?which protestent/pentecostal branch are they?I guess Evangelical?
They may be targetting Catholics also?
Why are they behind civilizations?what are their Agendas?

organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=261&page=22

joshuaproject.net/

 

[Eucharisted]

How evil

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

joshuaproject.net/

After more than nineteen and a half centuries, since the arrival of Apostle Thomas, only 19% of the Kerala population in India is Christian.

There are only 2.3% Christians in all of India, and that too confined only to certain areas.

(Compare that with Islam: one third of India was Muslim at the time of independence in 1947. Even now about 15% of the Indian population is Muslim.)

**Did Christianity harm anyone in Kerala and make them stop being Keralites? **

Did Christianity harm people from the previous princely state of Travancore, especially Kottayam and Pattanimthita districts, where there is a high percentage of Christians; where British and American missionaries worked very hard to bring not only religion but also education and other facilities, press, rubber tree etc for a better life?

**Did Christianity harm anyone in India and stop them from being Indians? **

**Did Christianity harm the European pagans when they converted to Christianity? **

**So why is there such an irrational fear what might happen if some Indians converted to Christianity of their own free will? **

Isn’t religion a matter strictly between an individual person and their God?

Why does anyone feel the need to appoint themselves barriers to religious conversions?

Should they not instead try to offer the best to their people both spiritually and materially?

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

“Joshua Project is a war-like project to invade and Christianise India. It has collected the necessary population data about each village and town in India, and has prepared the area specific strategy to bring maximum conversions.”

Where is this quote about the Joshua Project from?

Why is a Syro Malabar Catholic from Kerala like pjk123, reacting in such an alarmist mode?

 

[pjk123]

see ,this is not the same as you envisage- They are spreading God’s name by Giving “Electronic Gadgets-to hear” ,Money ,lobbying and if some need arises -can eliminate the bigger enemy -the Hindu Leaders.

For Me , Catholicism,(Orthodox/Jacobite) are the true Church ,I felt to be.Others ,most of them are Cults - they start from Protestent-Pentecostal ending up as Jehovah Witness ->which is Not Christian!!!.

Now , They are not Catholic and I completely disagrees with this project -which intends to convert catholics,Orthodox Christians as well.If you felt ,this is the right project and feels to be a wannabe Future Evangelist Radical ,Well As a Syro-Malabar Catholic ,for me this is unacceptable.I never felt the need to enforce Christianity on anyone.I will ,ofcourse tell about Jesus ,when I felt they need so.and in kerala - There is no need to tell about Jesus Christ and Christianity - People ,be it Muslima,Hindus whole Knows and in Southern parts ,they actually carries bible as well.Only thing needed is ,the enactment of Catholic Church here ,thrashing the innumerous cults in this part.

Evangelists really are accused of behind the murder of a Hindu Swami(Religious Leader) in Orissa State.Evangelists includes- Hindu,Muslim,Catholic,Orthodox populations also as “Unreached”.*

Catholic Church* ,I never find enforcing such kind of things.

My Problem is ,if ever this hindu population ,gets converted to Evangelism ,they are not a Member of the RIGHT Church(Catholic).Catholic Church(SMC included) has missions on many parts of North India as well and gives education and other facilities.Ofcourse ,the brothers and sisters spread the word of jesus without luring Money,employment and other goodies.

and Inside my Mind ,I hate the destruction of a civilization(even if it got its own problems) by enforcing a seperate culture along with the conversion.Why NOT preserve their culture?Look at Konkani Catholics ,they were converted by Portugese -but still they have caste system among them.They Got Hindu Names, they are in Synchronization with the Hindu Culture.
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While in OUR Context ,this is NOT VALID.

Why Not Live as a Catholic ,under Pope and Preserve your own culture,ofcourse ,leaving the wrong practices?If you mimick an alien culture ,you are better off as an actor/actress.
LOOK at the RHS side of their home page:
joshuaproject.net/joshua-project.php

On August 23, 2008, just before Krishnajanmashtami, an important Hindu festival, 84 years old Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati and four other Hindu sages were gunned down in girls hostel at Kandhamal in Orissa. Their only crime was that they were resisting fraudulent conversions by foreign-funded Christian missionaries.

At present, the worst problems faced by India are the demographic invasion by crores of Pak-Bangla infiltrators, and conversion of Hindus to Christianity through fraud and charade of charity by missionaries.

If Pak-Bangla combine wants to Islamise India through countless terrorists and infiltrators, missionaries want to Christianise India through unlimited foreign funds.

organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=261&page=22

 

[pjk123]

Though ,below is biased to Hinduism ,shows the true colour of Evangelists -Dear Catholic Forum readers -Please Read who are they :
saffronknight.sulekha.com/blog/post/2006/04/the-evangelical-christian-conquest-of-the-world.htm

excerpts:

There is a campaign underway for a second round of colonisation of the world and its people. Much of the world has focussed on the very visible terrorism sponsored by Wahabi Islam and its banker Saudi Arabia. Islamic terrorism is in your face - visible, loud, abusive and murdering its victims. However the world has remained silent and blissfully unaware of the new colonisation effort - the Evangelical conquest of the World.
Evangelical christians are mostly in the Southern part of the US. That notorious area which is host to white supremacists and racial segregation. George W Bush is of course the worlds most famos evangelical. The Evangelicals are Wahhabis in suit and tie. Much like Wahhabis want to make the world a dar-ul-momin (the landof the believers), the Evangelicals believe that all religions of the world and especially the “pagan” religions of the world namely - hinduism, buddhism, sikhism should be done away with. Planet earth should only belong to Jehovah and be a dar-ul-jesus.
The rise of this christian taliban - the Chaliban or the Evanjehadis is spectacular. The Chaliban are now backed by one of the strongest government programs in the world backed by the United States Government. In Jan 29, 2001, President Bush openly announced an effort to back faith-based groups for humanitarian aid. The unspoken piece of this announcement was a “Soft War” now being launched by the US to spread its dominance through religion. It is estimated that the US Government will give $18 billion dollars to evangelical groups to aid in the growth and spread of christianity.
The United States is betting that this huge inflow of capital will lead to a large and loyal Christian constituency in the world especially in Asia and Africa. Much like the Vatican church headquartered in Rome this new christian sect would be headquartered in the south of the Mason-Dixie line.
Time after time, Bush and his cabinet have given strong signals that any country or government impeding this effort would be treated as an enemy. This is especially the case with China where bush has repeatedly warned in as many words - “that china should allow evangelicals in the country to come and spread a message of love and compassion”.
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In S.America the evangelicals have demolished the Roman Catholic church in brazil. Many of the native faiths that still exist in S.America are being wiped out and being converted to the path of Christ. Two governments and one culture in S.America are resisting this - Bolivia, Venezuela and ironically Mexico!! Recently Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has expelled all the Evangelicals from his country.

Alright! I see this thread :
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=320240

 

[Contarini]

what is the goals?are they focussing on eliminating hindus in India?do they want to have forced conversion?which protestent/pentecostal branch are they?I guess Evangelical?
They may be targetting Catholics also?
Why are they behind civilizations?what are their Agendas?

organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=261&page=22

joshuaproject.net/

The first website is a Hindu nationalist one which I suspect of seriously distorting the facts. The Hindu sage they mention was not, as far as I know, killed by Christians but by Marxists. The Hindu nationalists claim that the killers were Christians, but I have seen no evidence to convince me of this. It looks like a piece of propaganda to justify lethal violence against those who convert to Christianity. Note that the website says that religious freedom can never mean freedom to convert. While I sympathize with the Hindu position here–and with the similar traditional Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican position (I think there’s a lot more to be said for cultural religion than evangelical Protestants admit)–I also find its implications extremely disturbing.

Do you really stand by this principle? Do you really think that persuading someone to convert to Christianity is an act of “war” which can legitimately be responded to by lethal violence?

The Joshua Project’s actual website looks like a standard evangelical missions site to me.

Edwin

 

[pjk123]

I too am living in India.the news is ,This Evangelists may have used naxelites for the murder of swami.

 

[Contarini]

I too am living in India.the news is ,This Evangelists may have used naxelites for the murder of swami.

News from what source? This smacks of a conspiracy theory. The evidence points to Naxelites being involved, so since you badly want to blame evangelical Christians you assume that they must be behind the scenes somehow. You can accuse anyone of anything using this logic. As C. S. Lewis said, you can argue that the fact that you can’t see a cat in a chair means that there must be an invisible one there.

If there really is some solid evidence that evangelical Christians encouraged or paid or in some way helped the Marxist guerrillas to carry out the murder, then I apologize for my hasty assumptions.

I have huge problems with evangelical Christian missionary methods as well. But they are my people, and I don’t like to hear them slandered and to hear hypocritical arguments used to support violence against them.

Edwin

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

News from what source? This smacks of a conspiracy theory. The evidence points to Naxelites being involved, so since you badly want to blame evangelical Christians you assume that they must be behind the scenes somehow. You can accuse anyone of anything using this logic. As C. S. Lewis said, you can argue that the fact that you can’t see a cat in a chair means that there must be an invisible one there.

If there really is some solid evidence that evangelical Christians encouraged or paid or in some way helped the Marxist guerrillas to carry out the murder, then I apologize for my hasty assumptions.

I have huge problems with evangelical Christian missionary methods as well. But they are my people, and I don’t like to hear them slandered and to hear hypocritical arguments used to support violence against them.

Edwin

Maoists admitted to the killing of the Hindu Swami almost immediately after it happened. Maoists are atheists. They do not act in the name of any religion but in the name of Maoism. Maoists live outside of the political and social framework in India and target anyone they feel is abusing power, whenever an opportunity presents itself. They speak with the language of violence. They publicly admitted to having the Hindu Swami on their hit list for a long time.

So why was it ignored and why was an innocent, helpless community of Christian Dalits (the lowest in the Hindu social caste system, even outside any Hindu caste system) targeted for revenge attacks? That is the current nightmare in the name of Hinduism by the militant Hindu group in India.

I would like for more Indians to become Christians. One major side effect is shedding the spiritual implications of the caste system, at least spiritually, even if their social status does not change automatically as a result. I look upon all Christian groups as wanting to do good by Indians. Fire and brimstone preaching and attacking Hinduism is not exactly how the disciples of Jesus would have preached. Missionaries have to make sure to present Christianity without disrupting the cultural practices (which of course does not include specifically Hindu religious practices). Just as Christianity in Europe integrated the local pagan cultures in a way that it was transformed to Christian, so should any Christian group working in India be mindful of the cultural sensitivities when they convert anyone to Christianity.

Vilifying Christian missionaries with no justification just isn’t kind.

 

[pjk123]

Truth cannot be opened in public. for , the state and media protects their politically correct stance.
Still ,:

christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/on-the-maoist-christian-issue-in-the-orissa-region-indian-violence/?referer=sphere_search​

 

[Contarini]

Truth cannot be opened in public. for , the state and media protects their politically correct stance.
Still ,:

christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/on-the-maoist-christian-issue-in-the-orissa-region-indian-violence/?referer=sphere_search​

The link contradicts your paranoid and conspiratorial statement. It’s a public article which you post on a public forum. Thanks for it. It does indeed substantiate the disturbing claim that there is a link between Maoists and Christians, and I find the author troublingly complacent about this link.

However, the reason this kind of thing happens is that the majority culture in India has oppressed the tribal peoples for centuries.

But still, you have made a good case that there’s more to the Maoist-Christian link than I thought.

Edwin

 

[pjk123]

Agree that politically correct doesnt want to read/accept the evangelical church’s hand in swami’s murder.

communists(maoists) supporting a radical christian establishment>>>?.Isn’t something fishy?Money can be the answer(Supari as in Hindi Language).

Then ,these maoists are all christians.yeah ,it is not a communist utopia where ,no religions are allowed.here more than communism ,the maoists looked back at their “caste”-which is christian and to help that ,they may have joined hands with evangelical leaders in murdering this swami who is the biggest threat christian conversion mongers faced.this swami brings Hindu interest on Orissa’s underprivilaged tribal areas and brought developments as well.without money ,evangelical churchn cannot allure the tribals.

Look at the history of Swami Lakshmanananda.He was against Evangelicals way of Conversion.Agreed ,He is totally against conversions as well.

Evangelicals and other radical Churches are busy in conversion.OTOH ,look at the state of Arab Christians in majority moslem countries.No Christian/Catholic Dare to Help them.so ?the easy target is always exciting for conversion mongers.
jihadwatch.org/archives/004893.php

 

[cathopologist]

I would like for more Indians to become Christians. One major side effect is shedding the spiritual implications of the caste system, at least spiritually, even if their social status does not change automatically as a result.

Christian evangelism has always targeted the “pariah” (aka Outcasts) groups. Only one successful priest (Catholic) infiltrated the Brahmin class and eventually converted an entire village i read. There should be more efforts from Catholic Indian clergy to be as how Father Roberto de Nobili once did.

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

Christian evangelism has always targeted the “pariah” (aka Outcasts) groups. Only one successful priest (Catholic) infiltrated the Brahmin class and eventually converted an entire village i read. There should be more efforts from Catholic Indian clergy to be as how Father Roberto de Nobili once did.

Cathopologist, I suggest you read the history of Christianity in Kerala. Apart from Apostle Thomas in Kerala, there have been missionaries, Roman Catholic and otherwise, who have converted high caste Hindus in other parts of India - Tamil Nad, Goa, Mangalore in Karnataka, even among Bengalis. It is just that the history of Christianity in Kerala, which is ancient, is hardly known to anyone in other parts of India. High caste conversions, being fewer in number do not get the kind of attention that mass conversions do. The classic case is that of St Francis Xavier, known as the Apostle Paul of India.

Jesus reached out to the poor and outcaste in His day, so anyone who reaches out to outcastes is in very good company. Don’t they need more spiritual help anyway because Hinduism would have them believe that they earned the misery in their lives because of sins in their past lives? That is not to say higher castes should not be evangelized.

I do get your point though that conversion of high caste Hindus makes it easier for low caste Hindus to convert and they would have the protection of high caste Hindu converts.

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

Agree that politically correct doesnt want to read/accept the evangelical church’s hand in swami’s murder.

communists(maoists) supporting a radical christian establishment>>>?.Isn’t something fishy?Money can be the answer(Supari as in Hindi Language).

Then ,these maoists are all christians.yeah ,it is not a communist utopia where ,no religions are allowed.here more than communism ,**the maoists looked back at their “caste”-which is christian **and to help that ,they may have joined hands with evangelical leaders in murdering this swami who is the biggest threat christian conversion mongers faced.this swami brings Hindu interest on Orissa’s underprivilaged tribal areas and brought developments as well.without money ,evangelical churchn cannot allure the tribals.

Look at the history of Swami Lakshmanananda.He was against Evangelicals way of Conversion.Agreed ,He is totally against conversions as well.

Evangelicals and other radical Churches are busy in conversion.OTOH ,look at the state of Arab Christians in majority moslem countries.No Christian/Catholic Dare to Help them.so ?the easy target is always exciting for conversion mongers.
jihadwatch.org/archives/004893.php

If the report you provided is reliable, it means that some members of one family could be Maoists while the others of the same family could convert to Christianity. Which means the atheist Maoist is probably reacting to the suffering of the Christian members of his own family and his own Dalit caste. The reaction is not religion based but caste based and in some cases family based.

No real Christian would support killing anyone. So an atheist Maoist is acting in accordance with his Maoist ideology.

Dalits are not Hindus. They are animists. So if a Hindu is allowed to convert them to Hinduism, assigning them to the lowest Hindu caste after conversion, how could the same Hindu decide that no Christian has the right to convert an animist Dalits to Christianity?

What exactly is religious freedom if there is no freedom to change religions? On what basis do some human beings appoint themselves guardians of human beings’ soul and forbid conversion? Isn’t religion a matter between an individual soul and God? Isn’t religious freedom the most fundamental of all human freedoms?