What is Lord Jesus?

[javid]

His ousia is the same as that of God the Father. And yes, he has God’s traits.

But since the Incarnation, he also has a human ousia. When people see Jesus, they are seeing him in his humanity. Yes, they are indeed seeing God, because the Person is divine and has a divine substance or ousia. But Jesus is also fully man, and man is visible.

By the virtue of communicatio idiomatum, it can indeed be truthfully said that no one has ever seen God, because God’s substance is not visible to human eyes. But by the same communication of idiom, because Jesus is man, he can of course be seen, so it can also be said that the God became visible to us.

So again, back to your original question: what is the quiddity of Jesus? God and man. Your initial premise that Jesus cannot have two quiddities is faulty, because orthodox Christian teaching is that Jesus indeed has indeed two quiddities. What is Jesus? He is God. What is Jesus? He is man.

Two ousias, means two beings. We have one Lord Jesus, not two.

 

[porthos11]

Two ousias, means two beings. We have one Lord Jesus, not two.

No. Ousia is substance, not being.

 

[porthos11]

Two ousias, means two beings. We have one Lord Jesus, not two.

I’m going to retract my statement for a bit, because I’m not certain that it was ever defined that Jesus has two ousias.

This is the orthodox belief:

Jesus is of the same ousia (substance, being) as the Father.
God is one ousia (substance, being) in three Persons (hypostases).
Jesus is the second Person (hypostasis) of the Trinity.
Jesus at the Incarnation assumed a human nature (physis) which was united with his divine nature without mingling or mixture, in one Person (hypostasis).

So to answer your question again: What is Jesus?

Jesus is both God and Man.

 

[javid]

I’m going to retract my statement for a bit, because I’m not certain that it was ever defined that Jesus has two ousias.

This is the orthodox belief:

Jesus is of the same ousia (substance, being) as the Father.
God is one ousia (substance, being) in three Persons (hypostases).
Jesus is the second Person (hypostasis) of the Trinity.
Jesus at the Incarnation assumed a human nature (physis) which was united with his divine nature without mingling or mixture, in one Person (hypostasis).

So to answer your question again: What is Jesus?

Jesus is both God and Man.

OK, thanks. Are traits separated from Ousia? Why he doesn’t have God the father’s traits?

Yes he has a human nature, but he has divine Ousia, so he must have God the father’s traits. But He hungered, dried, sleeped & died, And these are Incompatible with Father’s traits.

 

[porthos11]

OK, thanks. Are traits separated from Ousia? Why he doesn’t have God the father’s traits?

Yes he has a human nature, but he has divine Ousia, so he must have God the father’s traits. But He hungered, dried, sleeped & died, And these are Incompatible with Father’s traits.

He DOES have God the Father’s traits. He is omniscient, controlled nature and forgave sins, all of which belong solely to God.

Traits are attached to the natures, divine and human. All that stuff you mention about hungering, dying learning are all in his human nature because Jesus is also fully Man as well as fully God. That’s why he can know everything, even read men’s hearts and forgive sins., and still grow and learn. The former are true to his divine nature, the latter to his human nature. Jesus hungered, suffered and died as a man, because as God, he cannot hunger, suffer or die. But what can be applied to one nature, one can apply to the Person. That’s why you can say that Mary is the Mother of God, and that God experienced death on the Cross.

 

[javid]

He DOES have God the Father’s traits. He is omniscient, controlled nature and forgave sins, all of which belong solely to God.

Traits are attached to the natures, divine and human. All that stuff you mention about hungering, dying learning are all in his human nature because Jesus is also fully Man as well as fully God. That’s why he can know everything, even read men’s hearts and forgive sins., and still grow and learn. The former are true to his divine nature, the latter to his human nature. Jesus hungered, suffered and died as a man, because as God, he cannot hunger, suffer or die. But what can be applied to one nature, one can apply to the Person. That’s why you can say that Mary is the Mother of God, and that God experienced death on the Cross.

Thanks. We are close to better understanding from each other.

The problem is: Traits must be attached to the ousia, and since Lord Jesus is one and so has one ousia, So when His ousia is the same as that of God the Father, he has God the Father’s traits. Now, How can some one be needless cause of his ousia and needless cause of his human nature? This is the problem.

Do we must believe in Kenosis and self-emptying? If no, so he must be like father in all cases, if yes, I think it would better to ask my question about kenosis in a new thread.

God bless.