What is Mystery Babylon?

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From Haydock’s commentary:
" Nothing can be better applied than this epithet to ancient Rome, which had conquered almost all the kingdoms of the known world, as it is said in ver. 18. she is the great city, a kingdom which hath dominion over the kings of the earth; ver. 9. it was built upon seven mountains ; ver. 6. was watered with the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus Christ; and in fine, ver. 5. it was the great Babylon, as S. Peter, in his first epistle, pleases to call it. Calmet. — Come, I will shew thee the condemnation of the great harlot, . . . Babylon . . the mother of the fornications . By this harlot, and this Babylon, is signified the multitude of all the wicked of all times and places, who have abandoned themselves to sensual pleasures, and sought for their happiness in riches and worldly grandeur; for this reason she is said to carry on her forehead this inscription, a mystery; that is, to be understood in a mystical sense of all the wicked, who make up as it were one city, as S. Aug. observes, which may be called Babylon, the city of confusion, the city of idolatry, and of all manner of vices… This woman , this harlot, this Babylon, this multitude of the wicked, especially the heathen persecuting emperors at Rome, and in all other places, (and they who acted against the Christians under them) are said to be drunk with the blood of the saints, and the blood of the martyrs, by putting the Christians, the Catholics and the servants of God to death, from the foundation of the world to its consummation, by the instigation of the beast, the devil. The beast, the devil, is represented with seven heads and ten horns; that is, with many heads and many horns, signified by the numbers seven and ten. See S. Aug. c. xxiii. p. 606. — The seven heads, as it is said, v. 9, are seven mountains, and seven kings, i.e. a great many. And also the ten horns, (v. 12.) are ten kings. Wi."
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@ Fauken

Isn’t this also prophecy of the end times? Aren’t there many prophecies with a near fulfillment and a far fulfillment?
 
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@ Fauken

Isn’t this also prophecy of the end times? Aren’t there many prophecies with a near fulfillment and a far fulfillment?
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Revelation isn’t just for the future. Otherwise it would be called the book of prophecy. Revelation speaks of the past, present, and future, and in this case, the Whore of Babylon is referring to Rome. Elements of it are even used in Catholic Mass actually!
 
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If you read the commentary on the conference of catholic bishop’s site, they interpret it as Rome…
  • [17:9] Here is a clue: literally, “Here a mind that has wisdom.” Seven hills: of Rome.
If the near fulfillment and far fulfillment pattern holds true, then…?
 
observer333 said:
If you read the commentary on the conference of catholic bishop’s site, they interpret it as Rome…
  • [17:9] Here is a clue: literally, “Here a mind that has wisdom.” Seven hills: of Rome.
If the near fulfillment and far fulfillment pattern holds true, then…?
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If you’re going to come to a Catholic apologetics website and argue that our Church is the Whore of Babylon, you’re going to have a bad time. 😛
 
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If you’re wondering if you live in Babylon, ask yourself these questions:

Do I feel safe to spread the word of God and testimony of Christ and the Saints in broad daylight?
Am I indebted in any way to someone I do not know personally?
Do I feel comfortable letting my children walk around freely?
Do I lock my doors at night?
Do I feel free to cast down evil?
Do my judges exercise righteous judgements to cast down evil?

If you answered no to any of these, you are living in Babylon. Babylon, like God, is a Spirit and any city that spills even a drop of innocent blood can be considered Babylon unless they publicly repent of their wickedness.

Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
" the Whore of Babylon is referring to Rome. Elements of it are even used in Catholic Mass actually!"

Are you the one who brought it up first??? It sound like you were making that case…?
 
observer333 said:
" the Whore of Babylon is referring to Rome. Elements of it are even used in Catholic Mass actually!"

Are you the one who brought it up first??? It sound like you were making that case…?
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I see what you mean. I apologize, I added that on as an after thought and failed to see what could be implied. Yes, Rome (Ancient Rome) is the Whore of Babylon. The Book of Revelation though is not simply a book of prophecies for the future, otherwise it wouldn’t be called what it is. Revelation is relevant for all times. The Book of Revelation has elements that are used in Catholic Mass, like incense for example. Dr. Scott Hahn wrote a really good book over it called “The Lamb’s Supper”. I recommend it!
 
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