What is 'reality' and how do we know when we find it?

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Realities come in layers, with each deeper layer being qualitatively and quantitatively different from the higher layers. How do I know this? Well, there are what’s called “critical-beliefs” that if changed, causes the whole belief structure to come tumbling down. This is what happened to me going from Atheism, back to the Catholic Church.

I’m keenly interested here about how we can never be too certain of most anything.

I’m an idiot, but I know that I do not know much of anything, other than what I know from inner experiences.
 
Realities come in layers, with each deeper layer being qualitatively and quantitatively different from the higher layers. How do I know this? Well, there are what’s called “critical-beliefs” that if changed, causes the whole belief structure to come tumbling down. This is what happened to me going from Atheism, back to the Catholic Church.

I’m keenly interested here about how we can never be too certain of most anything.

I’m an idiot, but I know that I do not know much of anything, other than what I know from inner experiences.
These are my thoughts on the question. To begin with, one has to take on faith that truth does exist. I can not prove that even to myself but I believe “Truth” does exist. And this is what I search for. I have to face the truth and recognize that I can I can not know for certain that God exists. But I can know that if God does not exist there is no reason or purpose for existence and no reason or purpose for my own existence. I can not live like that so I search for truth and I have found truth in the teachings of Christ and His Church.

I search for truth in that which is love, beautiful and that which is good. If it is possible to have a favorite scripture in the Bible, I would say that Mark 9:24 comes close. “Oh Lord I believe. Help thou my unbelief.”

Each one of us has a journey to make in the quest for truth. As Christ says, “Be not afraid.” Begin your journey toward truth without fear. Begin your journey by first seeking out and loving beauty and loving the idea that truth exists and we are created to search for and find it.

If the journey were easy, it would be boring and have little meaning for each of us.
 
A few years ago I became obsessed with topic for several months. It lead me down a road that ultimately lead to Christianity, but it was a long and winding road. I ultimately concluded what Descartes concluded a long time ago - we really can’t get beyond solipsism with any certainty unless there is a benevolent creator who gave us senses we could trust. If the God of Classical Theism exists then every ‘layer’ of reality is infused with ‘realness’ in some way. And if He doesn’t exist we can’t know anything including His non-existence.
 
“But if I can know that if God does not exist there is no reason or purpose for existence and no reason or purpose for my own existence.” Why is this? If there is no god are you any less?
 
Why can’t we just assume that what we perceive physically is real enough, and proceed to live life?

ICXC NIKA
 
The English Romantic poet John Keats tells us what reality and truth are in the closing verses of his great poem “Ode on a Grecian Urn”:

Beauty is truth, truth beauty,
That is all ye know on Earth,
And all ye need to know.
 
The English Romantic poet John Keats tells us what reality and truth are in the closing verses of his great poem “Ode on a Grecian Urn”:

Beauty is truth, truth beauty,
That is all ye know on Earth,
And all ye need to know.
Nice. Just as long as we “experience” the spiritual and know that something much deeper in meaning has to exist.
 
“But if I can know that if God does not exist there is no reason or purpose for existence and no reason or purpose for my own existence.” Why is this? If there is no god are you any less?
Some people can live like this. It doesn’t bother them at all that there is no purpose in life except what is here an now and that there is no purpose for suffering, death or life. We are born, we eat, we procreate and we die and do the best we can in the meantime to get by.

I admire that.

What I would find the most difficult is that there could no one to be grateful to when I gaze at the stars in my Western Colorado sky. When I hold my grand children in my arms, I am so filled with gratitude and would feel profoundly sad that I can’t say thank you God for my many blessings.
 
Hi,
Here’s a condensation of what I believe regarding reality:

Objective Reality
1. Consider an apple sitting on a table: We see a smooth, round, red object, a texture, a form, and a color. However, the apple consists of molecules formed from atoms such as carbon, hydrogen; atoms are made up of protons, neutrons and electrons; and protons and neutrons are made up of quarks.
2. But we don’t see that hierarchy of matter; we see a smooth three dimensional red form that we recognize as an apple. What we see is the light that is reflected from the skin molecules of the apple in the form of photons of a particular wavelength.
3. When light from the apple enters our eyes the photons are focused by the lens on the retina at the back of the eye where specific neurons are excited and send electric impulses along optic nerves to the various parts of the brain.
4. In the brain, specific groups of neuronal circuits are excited and we “perceive” an image of the smooth, three dimensional, red form that we recognize as an apple. The question is: which is real, the configuration of quarks and electrons sitting on the table that we “see” or the image of a smooth 3-D red object that we “perceive”? Of course, both exist and are therefore both are real.
5. It is evident that these two aspects of reality, although existing in radically different ways, are intimately connected. The ordered arrangement of quarks and electrons is manifested as the form of the apple, but not the redness. The quarks are objectively real but the redness is not. What we mean by objective reality is essentially nothing but configurations of material elements, quarks and electrons, that exist outside our mind. Objective reality is external and discrete.

Subjective Reality
1. The redness doesn’t inhere in the apple; but rather is associated with the nature (wave length) of the photons reflected from the skin of the apple. Photons are not red, nor does the redness arise in the eye, which brings us to the neurons in the brain.
2. Neurons merge redness with the form of the apple in the mind, but material neurons do not create redness or any other qualia. Neurons are discrete (digital) and redness is continuous (analog). Redness emerges in the mind that is coterminous with, but separate from the neuronal circuits of the brain. The mind is not the brain.
3. There must be a second element, a spiritual element, that is an essential part of the mind, that provides the source of the redness and all other qualia. The mind is associated with the spiritual component in which all mental objects such as percepts, qualia, concepts, feelings and meanings are stored as a perceptual memory and are "brought to mind’ by the excitation of specific referent synapses in the neuronal material memory.
4. The mental objects stored in perceptual memory have the characteristic of continuity, the neurons in the brain that form the material memory are discrete.
5. The specific mechanism that allows us to perceive an image of a red apple is not known (the mind/body problem) to science. The mental objects that are associated with the perceptual memory component of the mind are formless and create another level of reality, subjective reality, the kaleidoscope of mental objects that creates the world as we experience it. Subjective reality is internal and continuous.

Rational Reality
1. An important part of the recognition of the red object sitting on the table is the symbol, in this case, the word ‘apple’ that we associate with the percept stored in the perceptual memory. The mind can be defined as a combination of the language instinct residing in the neuronal circuits of the brain, the material memory, and the perceptual memory that is formed in the spiritual substance.
2. Symbols are essential to the working of the mind. They consist primarily of words and numbers, both written and spoken; but also include signals, pictures, and music. Symbols define another aspect of reality called rational reality.
3. Rational reality exists internally within an individual mind, but unlike subjective reality that stores continuous mental objects in perceptual memory, rational reality is associated with the discrete symbols in the neuronal circuits of the brain that form the material memory and evoke the associated meaning and percepts stored in the perceptual memory. Rational reality is internal and discrete.
4. Rational reality is communicative in that it provides a means for sharing with other minds the mental objects stored in the perceptual memory.

Transcendental Reality
1. Finally, we recognize certain words to be associated with experiences that do not fit nicely with the other three levels of reality already mentioned, words such as beauty, truth, and justice.
2. Beauty exists! We cannot sense or measure beauty. We cannot feel beauty. We cannot imagine beauty. We can sense, measure, and feel things that are beautiful, but not the intrinsic beauty of the thing.
3. Beauty is one of those uniquely human experiences that transcend the objective, subjective, and rational. It resides with other concepts such as truth and justice at a higher level of existence. Beauty, truth, and justice exist outside the individual mind but can evoke feelings without form, we say such feelings exist in a fourth level of reality, a transcendental level… Transcendental reality is external and continuous.
Yppop
 
Hi,
Here’s a condensation of what I believe regarding reality:

Objective Reality
1. Consider an apple sitting on a table: We see a smooth, round, red object, a texture, a form, and a color. However, the apple consists of molecules formed from atoms such as carbon, hydrogen; atoms are made up of protons, neutrons and electrons; and protons and neutrons are made up of quarks.
2. But we don’t see that hierarchy of matter; we see a smooth three dimensional red form that we recognize as an apple. What we see is the light that is reflected from the skin molecules of the apple in the form of photons of a particular wavelength.
3. When light from the apple enters our eyes the photons are focused by the lens on the retina at the back of the eye where specific neurons are excited and send electric impulses along optic nerves to the various parts of the brain.
4. In the brain, specific groups of neuronal circuits are excited and we “perceive” an image of the smooth, three dimensional, red form that we recognize as an apple. The question is: which is real, the configuration of quarks and electrons sitting on the table that we “see” or the image of a smooth 3-D red object that we “perceive”? Of course, both exist and are therefore both are real.
5. It is evident that these two aspects of reality, although existing in radically different ways, are intimately connected. The ordered arrangement of quarks and electrons is manifested as the form of the apple, but not the redness. The quarks are objectively real but the redness is not. What we mean by objective reality is essentially nothing but configurations of material elements, quarks and electrons, that exist outside our mind. Objective reality is external and discrete.

Subjective Reality
1. The redness doesn’t inhere in the apple; but rather is associated with the nature (wave length) of the photons reflected from the skin of the apple. Photons are not red, nor does the redness arise in the eye, which brings us to the neurons in the brain.
2. Neurons merge redness with the form of the apple in the mind, but material neurons do not create redness or any other qualia. Neurons are discrete (digital) and redness is continuous (analog). Redness emerges in the mind that is coterminous with, but separate from the neuronal circuits of the brain. The mind is not the brain.
3. There must be a second element, a spiritual element, that is an essential part of the mind, that provides the source of the redness and all other qualia. The mind is associated with the spiritual component in which all mental objects such as percepts, qualia, concepts, feelings and meanings are stored as a perceptual memory and are "brought to mind’ by the excitation of specific referent synapses in the neuronal material memory.
4. The mental objects stored in perceptual memory have the characteristic of continuity, the neurons in the brain that form the material memory are discrete.
5. The specific mechanism that allows us to perceive an image of a red apple is not known (the mind/body problem) to science. The mental objects that are associated with the perceptual memory component of the mind are formless and create another level of reality, subjective reality, the kaleidoscope of mental objects that creates the world as we experience it. Subjective reality is internal and continuous.

Rational Reality
1. An important part of the recognition of the red object sitting on the table is the symbol, in this case, the word ‘apple’ that we associate with the percept stored in the perceptual memory. The mind can be defined as a combination of the language instinct residing in the neuronal circuits of the brain, the material memory, and the perceptual memory that is formed in the spiritual substance.
2. Symbols are essential to the working of the mind. They consist primarily of words and numbers, both written and spoken; but also include signals, pictures, and music. Symbols define another aspect of reality called rational reality.
3. Rational reality exists internally within an individual mind, but unlike subjective reality that stores continuous mental objects in perceptual memory, rational reality is associated with the discrete symbols in the neuronal circuits of the brain that form the material memory and evoke the associated meaning and percepts stored in the perceptual memory. Rational reality is internal and discrete.
4. Rational reality is communicative in that it provides a means for sharing with other minds the mental objects stored in the perceptual memory.

Transcendental Reality
1. Finally, we recognize certain words to be associated with experiences that do not fit nicely with the other three levels of reality already mentioned, words such as beauty, truth, and justice.
2. Beauty exists! We cannot sense or measure beauty. We cannot feel beauty. We cannot imagine beauty. We can sense, measure, and feel things that are beautiful, but not the intrinsic beauty of the thing.
3. Beauty is one of those uniquely human experiences that transcend the objective, subjective, and rational. It resides with other concepts such as truth and justice at a higher level of existence. Beauty, truth, and justice exist outside the individual mind but can evoke feelings without form, we say such feelings exist in a fourth level of reality, a transcendental level… Transcendental reality is external and continuous.
Yppop
Wow, this is IMPRESSIVE! I’m stoked reading it! Very good breakdown.
 


What I would find the most difficult is that there could no one to be grateful to when I gaze at the stars in my Western Colorado sky. When I hold my grand children in my arms, I am so filled with gratitude and would feel profoundly sad that I can’t say thank you God for my many blessings.
This is beautiful. I agree.
 
I think we have different comfort levels for uncertainty. If people have low comfort levels of uncertainty, they convince themselves that they “know”. But then there is no need for faith. But these days even science fails us from climate change to saturated fats there is controversy, debate, and disagreement. When it comes to God, I can’t help but believe. It is as if I feel God and no one can convince me it is not God.
 
Why can’t we just assume that what we perceive physically is real enough, and proceed to live life?

ICXC NIKA
I guess you can… but there is the problem of what other people believe and the clashes that occur when things don’t match up. If one wants peace with others and all of God’s creation, they seek to understand perceived realities of others. Its kind of less sociopathic that way. Of course empathy has its problems too.

Its funny but atheists seem to think if everyone was an atheist there would be no wars or clashes of minds and opinions and beliefs. They seem to think that atheism is the absence of religion, but fail to recognition that atheism is its own belief system and thus a religion, which it too is subject to all the human foibles of civilization and its problems. Yet all religions and belief systems are like that… if it wasn’t, no one would try them or submit to them. Each has its promise of hope for answers. For “Truth!”. For the way things really are…i.e. reality. There is that phrase “life is a mystery”… and it is.

People’s perception can be wrong. I do believe this is why The Lord charges us to constantly SEEK Him. There is no growth or wisdom in stagnant belief that only chooses to believe in its own perception. Its then theory untested, untried and very possibly untrue… also very self serving, kind of. What do you think mental illness is? How do you think the pharisees got the way they are?
 
I guess you can… but there is the problem of what other people believe and the clashes that occur when things don’t match up. If one wants peace with others and all of God’s creation, they seek to understand perceived realities of others. Its kind of less sociopathic that way. Of course empathy has its problems too.

Its funny but atheists seem to think if everyone was an atheist there would be no wars or clashes of minds and opinions and beliefs. They seem to think that atheism is the absence of religion, but fail to recognition that atheism is its own belief system and thus a religion, which it too is subject to all the human foibles of civilization and its problems. Yet all religions and belief systems are like that… if it wasn’t, no one would try them or submit to them. Each has its promise of hope for answers. For “Truth!”. For the way things really are…i.e. reality. There is that phrase “life is a mystery”… and it is.

People’s perception can be wrong. I do believe this is why The Lord charges us to constantly SEEK Him. There is no growth or wisdom in stagnant belief that only chooses to believe in its own perception. Its then theory untested, untried and very possibly untrue… also very self serving, kind of. What do you think mental illness is? How do you think the pharisees got the way they are?
That’s why I said PHYSICAL perception.

Our eyes, nose, ears and skin seldom lead us astray. It’s when we make the quest for hidden meaning the core of our life that the problems begin.

ICXC NIKA
 
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