What is the biggest lie against 5 non-negotiable issues?

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I choose “the world is overpopulated” it’s can lead to forced-abortion force-contraception forced-sterilization it also make abortion look heroic. it also leads to the identification of “useless population” or “rubbish population”
 
The biggest lie against the 5 non-negotiables issues is that other issues are just as important as those 5.

Just yesterday on some callin talk show I heard a guy crying that social issues are just as important, if not more important, than these 5 non-negotiables.

Another big lie is that this is just a ploy to make people vote republician.
 
Other: that God, as understood by Judeo-Christian ideology, does not exist.
 
Mad Amos:
Other: that God, as understood by Judeo-Christian ideology, does not exist.
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I see by your profile that you list yourself as Catholic.

So are you saying that the God you believe in and that the Church Teaches, does not exist?
 
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Other: that God, as understood by Judeo-Christian ideology, does not exist.
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ByzantineCatholic, I understood this to mean that it’s the biggest lie, not something Mad Amos believes. I agree, too.

my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
 
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coralewisjr:
ByzantineCatholic, I understood this to mean that it’s the biggest lie, not something Mad Amos believes. I agree, too.

my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
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Corinne,
Thank you for pointing that out.

I apologize to Mad Amos for my confusion.
 
All the above and more originating in the Father of Lies. :eek: May God grant us the Grace to seek the Truth. Thanks and God Bless.
 
the world IS overpopulated, or at least nearing the limit that it can sustain at any reasonalble standard of living. but no matter what the situation, no matter how many poeple exist on the earth now or in the future catholics will NEVER acknowledge this for obviouse reasons. As if people who follow a doctrine that requires couples have large families could ever be objective on the issue. Its’s like asking for an objective opinion on global warming from BP.

(secretly everyone is happy that the chinese dont follow the churches plan for large families, 500 million couples having having 6-10 children each. Now that’s a good idea!)
 
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cynic:
the world IS overpopulated, or at least nearing the limit that it can sustain at any reasonalble standard of living. but no matter what the situation, no matter how many poeple exist on the earth now or in the future catholics will NEVER acknowledge this for obviouse reasons. As if people who follow a doctrine that requires couples have large families could ever be objective on the issue. Its’s like asking for an objective opinion on global warming from BP.

(secretly everyone is happy that the chinese dont follow the churches plan for large families, 500 million couples having having 6-10 children each. Now that’s a good idea!)
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I’m sorry but you have your doctrine mixed up. The Catholic Church does not REQUIRE families to have any particular number of children. That is ridiculous and ignorant on your behalf. The Church only requires that families be OPEN to as many children as God blesses them with. By your profile you are a Protestant, and I am going to assume that you trust your life to God. Why, if you trusted your life to God, would you slam the bedroom door in his face? It is hypocritical to do so.

You say that Catholics could never “be objective” on this issue of over-population, but I question whether you can “be objective” in your assertions about the Catholic Church, and if not, who are you to go around pointing fingers at other “un-objective” people??

Either way, the fact is that we have PLENTY of resources in the world to sustain the current (and future) population. The problem lies in how we distribute those resources. And even if the world is “over-populated” abortion is not the answer. Female infanticide in China is not the answer. Can we just start killing off anyone based on a certain set of criteria, such as:
a. they’re not wanted
b. they’re not productive
c. they aren’t a certain age…
etc etc. Pretty soon, we could justify taking your life, just to “save” the world from the dreaded “over population.” Are you ok with that? As you sister in Christ, I would have to say that I’M not ok with that. Your life has as much value and is due the same amount of love, respect, and dignity as anyone else on this earth.
 
cynic said:
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I’m glad there are people here to tell me what I believe. You see, I was under the impression that I had values. Silly me!

The Chinese government doesn’t just “not follow the church’s plan.” It forces abortion, infanticide, and sterilization on its citizens. I think it’s disgusting that you can imply that that sort of policy is good, and that accepting God’s plan for life is somehow irresponsible.
 
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queen_anne78:
I’m sorry but you have your doctrine mixed up. The Catholic Church does not REQUIRE families to have any particular number of children. That is ridiculous and ignorant on your behalf. The Church only requires that families be OPEN to as many children as God blesses them with. By your profile you are a Protestant, and I am going to assume that you trust your life to God. Why, if you trusted your life to God, would you slam the bedroom door in his face? It is hypocritical to do so.

You say that Catholics could never “be objective” on this issue of over-population, but I question whether you can “be objective” in your assertions about the Catholic Church, and if not, who are you to go around pointing fingers at other “un-objective” people??

Either way, the fact is that we have PLENTY of resources in the world to sustain the current (and future) population. The problem lies in how we distribute those resources. And even if the world is “over-populated” abortion is not the answer. Female infanticide in China is not the answer. Can we just start killing off anyone based on a certain set of criteria, such as:
a. they’re not wanted
b. they’re not productive
c. they aren’t a certain age…
etc etc. Pretty soon, we could justify taking your life, just to “save” the world from the dreaded “over population.” Are you ok with that? As you sister in Christ, I would have to say that I’M not ok with that. Your life has as much value and is due the same amount of love, respect, and dignity as anyone else on this earth.
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implying that I’m an odiouse sort out to justify abortion, infanticide or euthanasia? China is a bad example I admit shouldn’t have used it, it’s opening a can of worms.

God gave us brains, we are supposed to use them, he told us to go forth and multiply but didn’t tell us when to stop. We could argue for days about whether the world has neared it’s population limit. I’d rather assume that your reasonable so that we could at least agree that we live in a world of finite resources, and with continueing population increase the world >>wil<<, at some point, reach it’s capacity. The massive population increases of the last century have largely been due to the availability of cheaply sourced oil, it’s byproducts and the subsequent economic growth. Oil is a finite resource if ever there was one. Before this famine and infant mortality restricted population growth. Hardely ideal either eh?

What is the human race to do when we eventually run out of resources? Stick our heads in the sand?
 
which is the world most “overpopulated” country?
Japan, I guess. so there’s no reason to say population negatively affects economy.
 
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abcdefg:
which is the world most “overpopulated” country?
Japan, I guess. so there’s no reason to say population negatively affects economy.
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I’m not so sure since in Japan there are companies giving free items to parents to have more children, and the last I heard the government was looking to pay couples to have children like a grant. I don’t know if the program has been formulized yet or even discarded. Thanks and God Bless.
 
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cynic:
implying that I’m an odiouse sort out to justify abortion, infanticide or euthanasia? China is a bad example I admit shouldn’t have used it, it’s opening a can of worms.

God gave us brains, we are supposed to use them, he told us to go forth and multiply but didn’t tell us when to stop. We could argue for days about whether the world has neared it’s population limit. I’d rather assume that your reasonable so that we could at least agree that we live in a world of finite resources, and with continueing population increase the world >>wil<<, at some point, reach it’s capacity. The massive population increases of the last century have largely been due to the availability of cheaply sourced oil, it’s byproducts and the subsequent economic growth. Oil is a finite resource if ever there was one. Before this famine and infant mortality restricted population growth. Hardely ideal either eh?

What is the human race to do when we eventually run out of resources? Stick our heads in the sand?
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I have a couple of questions. First, I am curious on the resources part. Malthus said that population would grow exponentially and resources arithmetically, yet our capacity through technology is capable of feeding and providing water to everyone on the planet and more. Starvation is mainly caused thorugh wars, autocratic regimes and racism. As for the world population, all 6.1 billion individuals could be given a 400 sq. ft. apartment within the land size of the US (Please correct me if I am wrong, the land size I used was 9,161,923 sq km .)

And here’s another thought for you, in Western Countries (i.e. most of Europe, American, Canada, Japan) the population will top out without immigration. In the US for example, in 20-30 years, the baby boomers will have passed away and the STDs will start claiming lives in droves unless some miracle drug/treatment is devised. Also, a good chunk of the American children have been aborted. I don’t mean to sound crass, but I figure in 20-30 years if we are still around, my fiance and I (be married then) will be able to get a house where ever we want.

What would you propose to address the “overpopulation” you see in the future that would be “ideal”??? Thanks and God Bless.
 
Whoa was my math off. I was doing the numbers in my head trying to sleep. Actually, each individual could have over 6000 sq. ft. Night everyone and see ya around the forums tomorrow. 🙂 Thanks and God Bless.
 
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