What is the difference between Catholic Salvation and non-Catholic Christian Salvation? Is there Salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church?

[adelaida_i]

I to would really like to talk some more with you but not sure how we would get one another’s email address. Not how to do this??? Do you have any ideas??

Hello Frank,

if you look at my public profile, there is an option ‘Send a message via email to…’. It doesn’t work from our profile as you denied this, but it should work from mine.
It is nice that in Massachusetts Orthodox Romanians, Russians and Americans serve together. Maybe this is a point to start something.
Nice regards,

Adelaida

 

[Frank_J]

Hi Adelaida,

I sent you a message via email, so you should be get a message soon.

The Orthodox Romanians, Russians and Americans get along nicely. My background is 100% Italian, my mother side of the family is Sicilian and my father family come from the area just outside of Rome.

Would like to hear what is going on in Italy??? We can talk between our own email to one another.

Would like to talk more about religion and your move to the RC Church and why you did it.

Have a great day.

GOD bless you.

Frank J

 

[Pokedaughter]

Non-Catholic salvation, in my personal faith, is when I made Jesus Lord of my life and acknowledged that through Christ’s sacrifice, I received sanctification from my sins and have now entered into a relationship with my Heavenly Father and am a redeemed Child of God. Baptism is not necessary for Salvation but someone who has the knowledge of Baptism, because of the Scripture, will desire to be Baptized as an outward expression of Salvation and thus the living a “new life” as a child of God (they are “washed” of their sins). I believe when someone acknowledges Jesus Christ as Lord and makes that committment in his/her mind and heart to make Jesus Lord of his/her life through a personal prayer to God, the Holy Spirit makes His home in that person and they are now a Holy Tabernacle of God-thus God makes His home in them. We are the Body of Christ. We are the Church. We are a royal Priesthood. We are known by Jesus who stands at the right hand of the Father and makes intercession to Him on our behalf. We have our names written in the Book of Life. We live a life of freedom in Jesus Christ.

 

[guanophore]

Non-Catholic salvation, in my personal faith, is when I made Jesus Lord of my life and acknowledged that through Christ’s sacrifice, I received sanctification from my sins and have now entered into a relationship with my Heavenly Father and am a redeemed Child of God. Baptism is not necessary for Salvation but someone who has the knowledge of Baptism, because of the Scripture, will desire to be Baptized as an outward expression of Salvation and thus the living a “new life” as a child of God (they are “washed” of their sins). I believe when someone acknowledges Jesus Christ as Lord and makes that committment in his/her mind and heart to make Jesus Lord of his/her life through a personal prayer to God, the Holy Spirit makes His home in that person and they are now a Holy Tabernacle of God-thus God makes His home in them. We are the Body of Christ. We are the Church. We are a royal Priesthood. We are known by Jesus who stands at the right hand of the Father and makes intercession to Him on our behalf. We have our names written in the Book of Life. We live a life of freedom in Jesus Christ.

Actually, most of what you have written here is very Catholic. It is puzzling why you would say that a believer is bapitzed because their sins are washed away. The Apostles taught that sins are washed away in Baptism.

 

[BRB]

I pray to God there is, especially for all of us who espouse the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic faith that is not Roman in character.

Such questions reveal a pride in one’s Rite, which is not a problem, except to the extent that it is exclusive and disrespectful to other Rites who are also in Communion with the successor of Peter.

Bingo But, lets also let in some decendents of Luther

From www.agapebiblestudy.com [a Catholic website]

The book Catholic Replies sums up the teaching of the Church concerning what it means to be ‘saved’ through the Church: What the doctrine of no salvation outside the Church does mean is that everyone is saved through the Catholic Church either as faithful members of that Church, or as members of churches which contain some significant elements of truth and sanctification found in the Catholic Church, or as persons who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience [Cat. n. 847]. Those churches which contain some elements of truth would be, for example, protestant churches that practice Trinitarian baptism.

 

[Pokedaughter]

Guanophore, you wrote:

“Actually, most of what you have written here is very Catholic. It is puzzling why you would say that a believer is bapitzed because their sins are washed away. The Apostles taught that sins are washed away in Baptism.”

I can understand your confusion with my personal view regarding baptism. The Catholic faith teaches that a person is born with sin and thus Baptism washes that sin away resulting in regeneration. Or in otherwords, this person (in most cases, an infant) is spritually reborn through baptism. (per Ludwig Ott in his Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma.)

My personal faith and baptismal view is in Believers’ baptism. (which is done in the name of the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit)

It is based on Acts 2:41 when Peter stated at Pentecost: “Those who received his word were baptized”.

This order of faith and baptism is again repeated in Acts 8:12 “*When they believed *Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”

And again in Acts 10 & 16 when Peter baptized the people after they had received the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit after hearing the good news of Jesus Christ.

Thus the order of my personal faith is:
1.Believe that Jesus is Lord and trust Him as your Saviour.
2.Then you are given the Holy Spirit as your helper.
3.Then you are baptized as a symbol of the dying of your old life, thus being raised to walk in a new life in Christ Jesus.

We were cleansed of our sins when we recieve Christ as our Saviour. Baptism is a public and physical symbol of our regeneration and redemption.

My belief is that baptism shows evidence of having consciously begun the Christian life. (Galatians 3:27 “As many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”)

 

[BRB]

And again in Acts 10 & 16 when Peter baptized the people after they had received the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit after hearing the good news of Jesus Christ.

Thus the order of my personal faith is:
1.Believe that Jesus is Lord and trust Him as your Saviour.
2.Then you are given the Holy Spirit as your helper.
3.Then you are baptized as a symbol of the dying of your old life, thus being raised to walk in a new life in Christ Jesus.

We were cleansed of our sins when we recieve Christ as our Saviour. Baptism is a public and physical symbol of our regeneration and redemption.

My belief is that baptism shows evidence of having consciously begun the Christian life. (Galatians 3:27 “As many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”)

You are correctly reading the scriptures. Faith leads to spiritual renewal via work of H.S. Baptism is the outward sign of our inward intentions to be cleaned in our hearts and sealed in Christ. Anytime we honor request of our Lord [via faith and performance of the sacraments] … we receive graces from Christ.

This is why the Catholic Church accepts a Protestant baptism as valid … if it is Trinitarian. Do Catholic infants have intentions at their Baptisms ? Their parents/godparents do. God honors the parental intentions for their children. These cradle Catholics certainly need to later share these intentions and undergo Confirmation, etc. Christianity is a lifelong process …oftentimes we think of things in moment by moment snapshots. God sees the bigpicture … from the perspective of eternity.

 

[guanophore]

Guanophore, you wrote:

“Actually, most of what you have written here is very Catholic. It is puzzling why you would say that a believer is bapitzed because their sins are washed away. The Apostles taught that sins are washed away in Baptism.”

I can understand your confusion with my personal view regarding baptism. The Catholic faith teaches that a person is born with sin and thus Baptism washes that sin away resulting in regeneration. Or in otherwords, this person (in most cases, an infant) is spritually reborn through baptism. (per Ludwig Ott in his Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma.)

My personal faith and baptismal view is in Believers’ baptism. (which is done in the name of the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit)

It is based on Acts 2:41 when Peter stated at Pentecost: “Those who received his word were baptized”.

This order of faith and baptism is again repeated in Acts 8:12 “*When they believed *Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”

And again in Acts 10 & 16 when Peter baptized the people after they had received the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit after hearing the good news of Jesus Christ.

Thus the order of my personal faith is:
1.Believe that Jesus is Lord and trust Him as your Saviour.
2.Then you are given the Holy Spirit as your helper.
3.Then you are baptized as a symbol of the dying of your old life, thus being raised to walk in a new life in Christ Jesus.

We were cleansed of our sins when we recieve Christ as our Saviour. Baptism is a public and physical symbol of our regeneration and redemption.

My belief is that baptism shows evidence of having consciously begun the Christian life. (Galatians 3:27 “As many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”)

Does it not concern you at all that this is not what the Apostles taught?

 

[Jimmy_B]

Hi Jimmy B… I would like to ask this question which has been posted in a different way on another thread, “Do you believe Catholics are the only ones having the right to call themselves Christian”? … We know the truth, share that truth and do it in love.

Hello elts1956,

To answer your question, No, all those who are properly baptized, are Christian.

Peace