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Baltimore Catechism
God made me to know, love and serve Him in this world, and to be eternally happy with Him in the next.
Baltimore Catechism
God made me to know, love and serve Him in this world, and to be eternally happy with Him in the next.
The answer to both used to be taught in CCD classes: To know God, to love God, and to serve God, and to worship Him in heaven forever.Hello,
What are the Catholic answers to the following questions?:
āWhat is the meaning (or purpose) of life?ā
āWhy did God create man?ā
Could anyone recommend any apologetics or theological sources/references which discuss this topic?
What is the meaning of life?
42, of course. Gotta love Hitchhikerās Guide to the Galaxy![]()
Another way to phrase it is, āLife is not a test. It is an actual emergency.āCan you explain? Iām not sure what the serious point is.
jmcrae ā thanks, couldnāt have put it better.Can you explain? Iām not sure what the serious point is.
āI thinkā, he murmured at last, from deep within his corroding rattling thorax, āI feel good about itā.
The lights went out in his eyes for absolutely the very last time ever.
Redemption, you just got to love it.So Long, And Thanks for All the Fish - Douglas Adams
I donāt think that this answer is anything close to an answer. If there is an afterlife, we can just as well ask, what is the meaning of the after life?If we were born just to die then life has no meaning at all.
Would everyone agree with the definition of love you have?Love.
It seems so simple, yet so pure. Just to love and to be loved. A wonder to behold!
To love and to be loved by another human being is an awesome thing, but to love and be loved by God our Creator is breathtakingly awesome!!!On this much I think we can all agree:
This is your own purely emotional reaction, or something else?To love and to be loved by another human being is an awesome thing, but to love and be loved by God our Creator is breathtakingly awesome!!!![]()
Is it really? Jesus said we are supposed to recognize a Christian by their love, but I have never noticed anything breathtaking or awesome about the love of Christians in general as distinct from the love of nonChristians (though of course I have met breathtaking and awesome people among believers and unbelievers). The Christians I have known before and after they were born a new being in Christ seem pretty much the same people to me other than their talk about how they were transformed, so the awesomeness you meantion just sounds like bluster to me.To love and to be loved by another human being is an awesome thing, but to love and be loved by God our Creator is breathtakingly awesome!!!![]()
Partly correct. Yes, it is an emotional response to Godās love for me and what He has done in my life, which I used to totally overlook (and not even believe as I had been astray from the Church for several years). Sometimes He works in subtle ways and sometimes He surprises me so that I am left in wonderment at His works, His veritable design in my life. He gives as much as we expect. He relates to us in the way we desire, if we truly believe and trust in His Divine Mercy.This is your own purely emotional reaction, or something else?
It is a shame that so many Christians are mediocre in their faith. God says in Scripture that we should be either hot or cold, but the lukewarm He will spew from His mouth. Of course there are Christians who are just Christians because of pragmatic reasons or having been born into a āChristianā family. The same is true of other people born into other faiths. A song goes, āAnd theyāll know we are Christians by our love . . . ,ā but this isnāt always the case. Personally, I try not to make judgments, but itās only human to judge the character of a person by his/her actions. As for me, I look for the Shepherd; He is our model. Follow Christ. Read His words in Scripture. Fall in love with Him. I did, when I came back to Him, although He had never ceased calling me and looking for this lost sheep.Is it really? Jesus said we are supposed to recognize a Christian by their love, but I have never noticed anything breathtaking or awesome about the love of Christians in general as distinct from the love of nonChristians (though of course I have met breathtaking and awesome people among believers and unbelievers). The Christians I have known before and after they were born a new being in Christ seem pretty much the same people to me other than their talk about how they were transformed, so the awesomeness you meantion just sounds like bluster to me.
Besides, as for the awesomeness of loving God, according to the scriptures the second of Christās commandments is the same as the first and parable of the sheep and the goats makes it clear that one who loves others also loves God whether she knows it or not. And as for being loved by God, certainly grace abounds and Godās nourishing rain falls on the just and the unjust.
In short, despite what you say above, I donāt think you have anything that I donāt have, and I am sure that Charlemagne and Reggie donāt have anything that I want.
If this is an answer, it is an answer to a question that I donāt have.Like a bumper sticker sports: āThe answer is Jesus.ā
Then let me ask you, what about the antithesis of life? Death? What is the meaning of our deaths? Or is there a meaning? For the Christian, death has lost its sting. We unite our death to the death of Jesus, our God and King, who will raise us up jus as He was raised.If this is an answer, it is an answer to a question that I donāt have.
I donāt have to look any further than the conscious participation in the joys and sorrows of this world for meaning in life. When you stop to think about it, it is astonishing that we donāt walk around continuously astonished by the beauty of the world.
Death is a real problem for humans and one we try to stave off with medical advances. Life is finite, and we usually want more of it than we have. This is true not only in facing death but in life. We constantly seek to enrich the experience of being alive through art, music, intellectual endeavors, personal relationships, travel, and religion. Death means the end of life. For some, it also means the beginning of a new life, but I doubt that anything cool happens after death. I assume all my memories will be lost forever as the brain that stores them decomposes, and I assume that my ability to process information will also cease at that point. (We of course know that when the brain is injure, people lose memories and various intellectual abilities depending on what part of the brain in affected.) What do you suppose existence will be like in Heaven without the memories and the ability to process information? I donāt have a strong enough imagination to worry about such an afterlife and whether or not one exists or worry about whether or not there exists a soulāthat supposed essence of me that is supposed to contain what is most fundamental about me but does not include any properties (accidents) of me whatsoever. I canāt fathom what such an existence with no properties would be like. And I canāt imagine an existence that is eternalāthat stands outside of time. So instead of pursuing such things that I canāt even fathom let alone figure out why I would want to pursue them, I concern myself with enriching life and being good to those who are alive and making a better world for those who are not yet born-- a world where my great great great great grandchildren will be able to flourish like no one has ever before just as I have flourished in ways unimaginable to my ancestors.Then let me ask you, what about the antithesis of life? Death? What is the meaning of our deaths? Or is there a meaning? For the Christian, death has lost its sting. We unite our death to the death of Jesus, our God and King, who will raise us up jus as He was raised.
Really, I assumed that Christians try to avoid death like everyone else. But I suppose I can understand the desire, utterly exhausted and satisfied after a job well done, to go to sleep without a care if one ever wakes up again. Iāve been that tired before and felt that satisfied with the life Iāve lived.For the great saints, death was a friend, a passing into eternity full of love.
Of course, some people die while enduring unimaginable pain at the end of a life of terrible suffering. I suppose that death for such people is equally as blessed.A book Iām reading called Descending Fireāthe Journal of a Soul Aflame by Jean Petit describes the fire in the soul that will consume it. He calls death āthat blessed dayā and says your life āinstead of being brought to an end by a natural cause, your last hour will be a death through love.ā St. Faustina has made similar statements in her diary.
I agree on Death (but not on the other three things). I think one really ought to practice dying to learn to live just as Socrates prescribed for the philosopher.I donāt think we can fully comprehend the meaning of life without considering the āLast Four Thingsā: Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell. Without the cross, life and death have no real meaning. Life would then be a series of events and emotions essentially disconnected. There is no theme, as with the Christian life. As said, the theme, or purpose, or raison dāetre (hereās hoping my French is semi-correct) for the Christian is the cross.
Death is a real problem for humans and one we try to stave off with medical advances. Life is finite, and we usually want more of it than we have. This is true not only in facing death but in life. We constantly seek to enrich the experience of being alive through art, music, intellectual endeavors, personal relationships, travel, and religion. Death means the end of life. For some, it also means the beginning of a new life, but I doubt that anything cool happens after death. I assume all my memories will be lost forever as the brain that stores them decomposes, and I assume that my ability to process information will also cease at that point.
I agree and add that death is an evil we, humans, try to avoid (Christian or not). Itās an evil because it is the result of the first sin, original sin, a grievous insult to the God who created us. If we believe that the purpose of life is to perfect ourselves, we will not fear the problems, temptations, illnesses and all sorts of human misery because we will see these happenings in our life as adventures sent by God. Nothing happens without the approval of God. However, He does not will evil, but allows it to obtain a greater good.
Because our memory is part of the soul, along with the intellect and will, you will not lose your memories. Even people whoāve had dementia on earth will know all there is to know. God will infuse knowledge, and, eventually, we will have our bodies back. St. Paul exclaimed that we cannot comprehend what "God has prepared for those who love Him.
When we sacrifice something or offer up our trials of each day (small or major), we are dying little deaths. I look at each as a rehearsal before the final curtain call.(We of course know that when the brain is injured, people lose memories and various intellectual abilities depending on what part of the brain in affected.) What do you suppose existence will be like in Heaven without the memories and the ability to process information? I donāt have a strong enough imagination to worry about such an afterlife and whether or not one exists or worry about whether or not there exists a soulāthat supposed essence of me that is supposed to contain what is most fundamental about me but does not include any properties (accidents) of me whatsoever. I canāt fathom what such an existence with no properties would be like. And I canāt imagine an existence that is eternalāthat stands outside of time. So instead of pursuing such things that I canāt even fathom let alone figure out why I would want to pursue them, I concern myself with enriching life and being good to those who are alive and making a better world for those who are not yet born-- a world where my great great great great grandchildren will be able to flourish like no one has ever before just as I have flourished in ways unimaginable to my ancestors.
Some time ago, I made that one step in Godās direction (after a period of atheism) and was rewarded bountifully. Although Iām a cradle Catholic, I agree with the Protestants that we need to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior as a specific act of faith, stepping into faith. There are so many philosophers and theologians out there who can explain these things much better. I speak because the Holy Spirit prompts me to from the graces Iāve received.![]()
All of these are to a great extent intangible experiences and the most important are personal relationships which outlast death - even if you donāt believe in an afterlife. Your love does not disappear even if the one you love is no longer accessible.We constantly seek to enrich the experience of being alive through art, music, intellectual endeavors, personal relationships, travel, and religion.
Like our thoughts and emotions our memories are intangible. There is no reason to suppose they disappear when the brain decomposes - unless you are a reductive materialist who equates the mind with the brain. The brain is a physical instrument which simply processes information received by the senses but it does not know what it is doing nor even that it exists! It is not a conscious person but a biological machine.Death means the end of life. For some, it also means the beginning of a new life, but I doubt that anything cool happens after death. I assume all my memories will be lost forever as the brain that stores them decomposes, and I assume that my ability to process information will also cease at that point.
Without memories you would not be the same person and Heaven would be Hell! When the brain is damaged people lose their ability to communicate but that does not demonstrate that they no longer think and feel.(We of course know that when the brain is injured, people lose memories and various intellectual abilities depending on what part of the brain in affected.) What do you suppose existence will be like in Heaven without the memories and the ability to process information?
It is not necessary to think in terms of essence and accidents. All that matters is that a person is a self - an intangible, conscious entity. Without a self there is no such thing as self-control. We would be no more than bodies controlled by physical events.I donāt have a strong enough imagination to worry about such an afterlife and whether or not one exists or worry about whether or not there exists a soulāthat supposed essence of me that is supposed to contain what is most fundamental about me but does not include any properties (accidents) of me whatsoever.
Thereās no need to!I canāt fathom what such an existence with no properties would be like.
It is not necessary to imagine it. There are many realities we cannot imagine - such as infinity andAnd I canāt imagine an existence that is eternalāthat stands outside of time.
In other words you appreciate the immense value of life, the beauty of nature, the reality of goodness and the power of love⦠spiritual realities which matter far more than physical pleasure and satisfaction.So instead of pursuing such things that I canāt even fathom let alone figure out why I would want to pursue them, I concern myself with enriching life and being good to those who are alive and making a better world for those who are not yet born-- a world where my great great great great grandchildren will be able to flourish like no one has ever before just as I have flourished in ways unimaginable to my ancestors.
It is tempting to want to leave the world and forget all its misery and injustice but can we ever die feeling satisfied we have done all we can to help improve the lives of those in need?Really, I assumed that Christians try to avoid death like everyone else. But I suppose I can understand the desire, utterly exhausted and satisfied after a job well done, to go to sleep without a care if one ever wakes up again. Iāve been that tired before and felt that satisfied with the life Iāve lived.