What message was Jesus trying to convey in Mark 13: 32

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Mark 13: 32
But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.
What was Jesus’s message? Did he mean what he stated literally, or is it just another figure of speech that Jesus likes to do?
 
Jesus tells us plainly that He came to do the will of His Father, that his meat was to do the will of His Father, that I tell you nothing that I have not heard from the Father, etc.

I think Jesus here is not saying that there is something He does not know or has the incapacity to know, but that touching His earthly ministry He had determined to know nothing except what God the Father would have Him to know. Therefore even though He is God He is humble and is divested of His glory before the resurrection, but does that mean that He ceased to be God and no longer possessed the glory which was eternally His? No. It was just that in His perfect submission to the Father He willed to pour Himself into the servant’s form and take on all that would entail. Part of that would be that concerning being the servant He would will to not know certain things including the day and the hour.

In other words His statement here is one of submission rather than lack of knowledge. he does not tell an untruth but rather truly submits and wills to not know in His earthly mission the day and hour.

God Bless
 
We must remember (speaking from my Catholic understanding) that Jesus had both HIs Divine Nature and a fully human nature in hypostatic union (the technical term). I am postulation for sake of discussion, that in His human nature He was fully human in all things save sin, I think it all comes down to what and how much infused knowledge Jesus revealed from His Divine Nature to His human nature. Then, when Jesus said only the Father knows He could very well be speaking truthfully through His human nature while still knowing in His Divine Nature everything the Father knows.

Be advised that this is purely speculation on my part. I have no formal theological training at all. The full nature of the hypostatic union is and will be clouded in mystery for us in our earthly lives.

All my education is in mathematics, physics, chemistry, astronomy and a smattering of electrical engineering. All that I know about Church teachings is what I have learned on my own and from informal parish level classes, and religious conferences.
 
Don’t overthink this. Jesus is saying, if I may paraphrase:

“We all gonna die! Even me. Only God knows when, so don’t bother thinking about it. Don’t try to over interpret Revelations, which hasn’t been written yet but it will be, because there are no time tables in there so put away your calculators, Love God, Love your Neighbor, and you’ll probably be dead before judgement day anyway, so don’t worry about it.”

Despite the fact that this is hyperbole, I do have a theological background, and this *is *the gist of it.
 
Agreed Bussi.
This position cheapens interpretations …forananswer.org/Mark/Mk13_32.htm
I think most miss the point when they turn discussions into the jesus team vs the god team. Men over intellectualizing like that are irritating.
Jesus was obedient to God. He was not omnipotent. The statement is one of humility which seems a foreign concept to all too many.
 
Don’t overthink this. Jesus is saying, if I may paraphrase:

“We all gonna die! Even me. Only God knows when, so don’t bother thinking about it. Don’t try to over interpret Revelations, which hasn’t been written yet but it will be, because there are no time tables in there so put away your calculators, Love God, Love your Neighbor, and you’ll probably be dead before judgement day anyway, so don’t worry about it.”

Despite the fact that this is hyperbole, I do have a theological background, and this *is *the gist of it.
Ditto, and all without a theological degree. This habit people are in trying to dissect the bible as if they could control it or covet it-- it’s like OCD. Before the young bucks set sail for mastery of the universe, perhaps they could master themselves first hand? 🤷
 
Agreed Bussi.
This position cheapens interpretations …forananswer.org/Mark/Mk13_32.htm
I think most miss the point when they turn discussions into the jesus team vs the god team. Men over intellectualizing like that are irritating.
Jesus was obedient to God. He was not omnipotent. The statement is one of humility which seems a foreign concept to all too many.
Kelley,

I make no claims really knowing/understanding the theology involved in depth, I tend to agree that in His human nature He may not have been omnipotent but I still have to consider that He did take human nature along with His divine omnipotent nature in a unity so deep and complete that I cannot begin to even understand the metaphysics and theology involved. I don’t think I am over-intellectualizing because my formal education taught me critical thinking which if conducted properly will lead me to the realization that there are times I just do not know and that I simply must accept the teachings of greater minds than mine (e, g., St. Thomas Aquinas, JP II, Benedict XVI). Over-intellectualizing causes trouble when a person’s biases and sometimes a desire to “do it my way” (intellectual pride) are overlaid on what is being analyzed. We are given an intellect with which to understand our faith but ultimately we must assent to that faith with one’s heart. I speak from personal experience and I still must make an effort to make that assent.

God Bless…
 
Mark 13: 32

What was Jesus’s message? Did he mean what he stated literally, or is it just another figure of speech that Jesus likes to do?
I think it was just a way of Him telling us that the time of the end of the world is none of our business. But a warning that it is coming so that we don’t fall asleep at the wheel.
And from this we can conclude that anyone who says that they know the date it will arrive, just don’t be taken in.
 
Jesus was saying no one can know when the world will end. But that was before billboards were invented, so now we know it’s May 21st. :rolleyes:😃
 
Ditto, and all without a theological degree. This habit people are in trying to dissect the bible as if they could control it or covet it-- it’s like OCD. Before the young bucks set sail for mastery of the universe, perhaps they could master themselves first hand? 🤷
Many people have a deep love for scripture and it is wrong to assume that those who have a strong desire to understand God’s will as communicated to us through Scripture are somehow trying to control it or bend it to their own will. It’s a mistake many non-Catholic Christians make, simply brushing off verses which may be difficult to understand under the assumption that we are reading too much into it or somehow trying to overthink it. It’s the mistake Luther made, telling us that Scripture was so simple that even a plowboy could understand it. Well it’s not and the comments on this thread testify to the how difficult it is to undertand that passage. I certainly don’t pretend to know all the answers.

I can say however, that the entire theme from verse 5 to verse 37 is not only about the end of the world, but also about the desruction of Jerusalem, the temple and the killing of 1.2 million Jews by Titus in 70 AD. Most people focus on this, the apocalyptic nature of these passages, including many of our Evangelical brother’s and sisters, but it is also a story of rebirth. It’s a prophecy about the brith of the age of the reign of the Holy Catholic Church.

Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. (Mark 13:28)

Remember that the verse referenced by the original poster is part of a greater discourse. It must be interpreted in it’s entire context. A few verses prior to the verse referenced by the original poster, Jesus uses langauge about trees budding in spring and the full bloom of summer being near. This is hardly apocalyptic language and most people don’t even notice this verse. It speaks of rebirth after winter. It speaks of a return to life.

It is like a man traveling abroad. He leaves home and places his servants in charge, each with his work, and orders the gatekeeper to be on the watch. Watch, therefore; you do not know when the lord of the house is coming, whether in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or in the morning. (Mark 13:34-35)

Remember whom Jesus is speaking to here. He was asked about the temple by his disciples but later approached privately by Peter, James, John and Andrew. Their question prompted the entire discourse and it was to these four, the future leaders of his Church, whom he was speaking. And he uses language about a master going abroad leaving his servants in charge until his return. He tells the future leaders of his Church, those who will be in charge of his house that thay must be watchful for his return.

The temple will be destroyed and the lesson of the fig tree will come to pass and the Old Covenant will pass away. A new Church will be given birth, created through a new covenant and the Apostles - Peter, James, John and Andrew to whom he was speaking, will be left in charge of the Master’s house. Then summer will be at hand.

But the master will return. And even Jesus does not know when.

-Tim-
 
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