What percentage of "Catholics" are.....?

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  1. so attached to the TLM that they refuse to accept the validity of the NO? believe that V2 was a heretical council? schismatic?
  2. prefer the indult TLM but accept the NO as valid?
  3. prefer the NO but have no problem with an indult TLM?
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     A point of emphasis for those in categories 2 & 3.  These people accept the authority of the Church and her Bishops.  They follow Church teachings to the best of their ability including the "tough" ones.
  4. attend Mass regularily but question the Church’s stances. Perhaps they practice artificial birth control or believe that woman can be priests or are “personally opposed” to abortion but wouldn’t “force their religious beliefs on others.”
  5. actively oppose the Church and her teachings. They might be members of Catholics for a Free Choice or Call to Action.
No matter which category someone falls in, they claim to be “Catholic” and I’m curious what others see as the percentage breakdowns.

I truly have no idea. Before these forums, I had only a vague understanding of the SSPX and didn’t realize there was an indult TLM. Obviously, my personal experience of 0% of the Catholic population in categories 1 & 2 is not a good sample size. The only people I know of in category 5 are the newsmaker ones - I know of no one personally who fits that description.

I find it interesting that no matter which group a person belongs to, they truly feel they are “Catholic”. I know many of us would argue that some can’t truly claim the title but that’s not the point of this thread. I purposely did not put labels or names on these categories; I don’t want this thread to get ugly.

Of course, feel free to redefine or categorize my groups.
 
Second half of the question - are the populations in any of these groups changing? getting older or younger perhaps or gaining or losing members?
 
kwitz said:
1. so attached to the TLM that they refuse to accept the validity of the NO? believe that V2 was a heretical council? schismatic?
  1. prefer the indult TLM but accept the NO as valid?
  2. prefer the NO but have no problem with an indult TLM?
A point of emphasis for those in categories 2 & 3. These people accept the authority of the Church and her Bishops. They follow Church teachings to the best of their ability including the “tough” ones.
  1. attend Mass regularily but question the Church’s stances. Perhaps they practice artificial birth control or believe that woman can be priests or are “personally opposed” to abortion but wouldn’t “force their religious beliefs on others.”
  2. actively oppose the Church and her teachings. They might be members of Catholics for a Free Choice or Call to Action.
No matter which category someone falls in, they claim to be “Catholic” and I’m curious what others see as the percentage breakdowns.

I truly have no idea. Before these forums, I had only a vague understanding of the SSPX and didn’t realize there was an indult TLM. Obviously, my personal experience of 0% of the Catholic population in categories 1 & 2 is not a good sample size. The only people I know of in category 5 are the newsmaker ones - I know of no one personally who fits that description.

I find it interesting that no matter which group a person belongs to, they truly feel they are “Catholic”. I know many of us would argue that some can’t truly claim the title but that’s not the point of this thread. I purposely did not put labels or names on these categories; I don’t want this thread to get ugly.

Of course, feel free to redefine or categorize my groups.
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Before Vatican 11 your choices 1,2,and 3 did not exist, 4 has been around for a while (birth control), 5 has always been with us.

The changes that have come about are a product of the freedom from morality and thought as opposed by the Catholic Church as they are false truths. The Church has always been the conscience of the world and so the conflict exists both from outside and within her.
The Mass is the church; it is the one thing that seperates Catholics from all other religions including other christians and was guarded through out the centuries since it’s inception by Christ.
Change is good in most cases for it brings progress, but in the case of the Mass it has brought confusion.

Fogny
 
I don’t want to argue about why there are these groups now at all and try to put blame somewhere. I’m just curious how the percentages break out.

If I only based the percentages on my personal experience they would skew one way. If I only paid attention to these boards, I might believe most Catholics fit into category 1 or 2. I’m wondering what others think the “true” percentages are.

Kris
 
Category 4 has existed since apostolic times. You’ll find evidence in Acts and in the various Epistles. [reply to Fogny]
 
Perhaps you should post this as a poll, I’d be interested in the percentages here on this forum. My personal bet is the vast majority would be in groups 2 & 3.
 
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Perhaps you should post this as a poll, I’d be interested in the percentages here on this forum. My personal bet is the vast majority would be in groups 2 & 3.
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I wish I could figure out what the true percentages are. Then, you are correct, it would be interesting to see how this forum stacks up against those. I would agree with your guess that most here are in groups 2 & 3 - how skewed is this compared to the “real” world outside of this forum?

I’ll let this thread run a while to get some responses and then run a poll to see where we fall.

Kris
 
Group 1 is probably larger than most assume. And Group 1-b, the children of Group 1 who never knew the Latin mass but picked up their parent’s habits is probably larger still.

People sometimes might assume that the people of group 1 are mostly SSPXers or the like, but I don’t think so.

There are a lot out there that just never ‘got’ the English mass so they quit attending. Driving a long distance to attend a semi-sectarian SSPX chapel just on its face doesn’t seem very “catholic” to most. Many of those people are now deceased due to the long period which has passed but their children have largely continued the familial tradition of non-attendance and constitute probably close to the majority of the 75% or 80% not in attendance on Sunday.
 
  1. No
    2)Yes
    3)I have no problem with either, but prefer the TLM
    4)I attend every Sunday and every Holy Day and accept ALL of the Church’s teachings…without question…I don’t support anyone who goes against these teachings.
    5)I actively oppose the groups that oppose the Church…I am a very devout Catholic.
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kwitz said:
1. so attached to the TLM that they refuse to accept the validity of the NO? believe that V2 was a heretical council? schismatic?
  1. prefer the indult TLM but accept the NO as valid?
  2. prefer the NO but have no problem with an indult TLM?
A point of emphasis for those in categories 2 & 3. These people accept the authority of the Church and her Bishops. They follow Church teachings to the best of their ability including the “tough” ones.
  1. attend Mass regularily but question the Church’s stances. Perhaps they practice artificial birth control or believe that woman can be priests or are “personally opposed” to abortion but wouldn’t “force their religious beliefs on others.”
  2. actively oppose the Church and her teachings. They might be members of Catholics for a Free Choice or Call to Action.
No matter which category someone falls in, they claim to be “Catholic” and I’m curious what others see as the percentage breakdowns.

I truly have no idea. Before these forums, I had only a vague understanding of the SSPX and didn’t realize there was an indult TLM. Obviously, my personal experience of 0% of the Catholic population in categories 1 & 2 is not a good sample size. The only people I know of in category 5 are the newsmaker ones - I know of no one personally who fits that description.

I find it interesting that no matter which group a person belongs to, they truly feel they are “Catholic”. I know many of us would argue that some can’t truly claim the title but that’s not the point of this thread. I purposely did not put labels or names on these categories; I don’t want this thread to get ugly.

Of course, feel free to redefine or categorize my groups.
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I fall between 2 & 3 with the addition that I like all the licit liturgies of the Catholic Church. We have 9 western rites and our eastern rites are numerous belonging to 3 different catagories - Antiochian, Byzantine and Alexandrian.

-Ted
 
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