What role do we play in other people's salvation?

[Koopa]

Hi all! Just wondering something.

If God judges everyone according to his lot in life, sort of like, what opportunities and gifts he has been given, then why would we really need to help others come to salvation anyway?

Excuse me for sounding despicable. Obviously I understand we need to help others come to salvation, but I guess I’m not making the connection very well.

For example, if God will judge a Buddhist by his fidelity to his conscience, then how would he be more likely to be saved if we brought him to Christ?

Thank you all!

God bless,
Koopa:thumbsup:

 

[Stuart5]

We never know our influence on other people through our example. I like what Saint Francis said: “Lord that I may preach the Gospel and only when necessary with words”

 

[PJM]

=Koopa;7122726]Hi all! Just wondering something.

If God judges everyone according to his lot in life, sort of like, what opportunities and gifts he has been given, then why would we really need to help others come to salvation anyway?

Excuse me for sounding despicable. Obviously I understand we need to help others come to salvation, but I guess I’m not making the connection very well.

For example, if God will judge a Buddhist by his fidelity to his conscience, then how would he be more likely to be saved if we brought him to Christ?

Thank you all!

God bless,
Koopa:thumbsup:

Fidelity to ones conscience is but a partial factor.

God being a Perfect God requires that He be always a fair and JUST God.

Therefore everyone will be JUDGED NOT SIMPLY on what we know, and what we freely choose to believe; BUT on what God allows us to know. Including those many things we CHOOSE to ignore or deny.

As to how we help others?

We do so by taking advantage of the opportunites God presents us with; MOST NOTABLY by how we live our lifes in public, HOW WE LIVE our Faith for the world to see.

 

[Tankjeep]

Hi all! Just wondering something.

If God judges everyone according to his lot in life, sort of like, what opportunities and gifts he has been given, then why would we really need to help others come to salvation anyway?

Excuse me for sounding despicable. Obviously I understand we need to help others come to salvation, but I guess I’m not making the connection very well.

For example, if God will judge a Buddhist by his fidelity to his conscience, then how would he be more likely to be saved if we brought him to Christ?

Thank you all!

God bless,
Koopa:thumbsup:

we don’t bring others to Christ, God does. we merely plant a seed in others and let God do the rest. we may be influential in that process by our actions (which should be as loving and caring as possible).

but the sinner must first recognize his sin and repent. this is the way thru Jesus Christ.

so, we are to be the light of the world thru our actions and we are to educate the sinner of his behavior against God’s law. then help them understand repentance is the path to God.

 

[PJM]

Originally Posted by Koopa
Hi all! Just wondering something.

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If God judges everyone according to his lot in life, sort of like, what opportunities and gifts he has been given, then why would we really need to help others come to salvation anyway?

Excuse me for sounding despicable. Obviously I understand we need to help others come to salvation, but I guess I’m not making the connection very well.

For example, if God will judge a Buddhist by his fidelity to his conscience, then how would he be more likely to be saved if we brought him to Christ?

Thank you all!

God bless,
Koopa

Dear friend in Christ;

In an absolute sense God’s OWN Divine Justice requires that He make available to everyone sufficient grace to know, love and serve Him.

With this in mind it is well to understand that this Conscience that will be judged MUST be an “well informed conscience.”

God’s judgement will not be ONLY on what we know; and what we choose to accept and believe BUT will be on WHAT GOD HAS PERMITTED US to know and beleive. [OPPORTUNITY] Refusing an opportunity to know truth and choosing to ignore it for ANY reason, will be factored in God’s ALL- JUST Judgement.

 

[finclk]

This is an area i struggle with.

The present day catholicism spreads the msg of some degree of indifferentism (the belief that all religions are created equal). If honestly that’s the view we should agree with the Church, there’s no need for evangelism.

If everyone will have an almost equal chance of being ‘justified’ and have a place of heaven, then Christianity is not the true path to Christ. Becoz it would contradict the bible that no one can come to the Father except through Christ (which means declaring Christ as lord n savior n having true faith in Him). Of course I’m stating this in an objective statement, I still maintain the stand that we have no right to judge other people’s fate, God himself might have a diff plan. If he chooses to save a non-believer, who are we to disagree with Him? But objectively speaking, there is only 1 God in this world and to be saved means to accept Christ truly.

So this is where I struggle with, what’s the need for evangelism if we have to hold this view of indifferentism that the Church does hold (and is spelt out implicitly in the CCC)? We would be failing to carrying out fully Jesus command in the Great Commission in Matt28:19.

Any views?

 

[finclk]

sorry i wish to add that this view of indifferentism is held even by the priests and brothers i know in my country in Singapore… so it’s definitely taught and upheld as a belief.

 

[PJM]

=finclk;7209375]This is an area i struggle with.

The present day catholicism spreads the msg of some degree of indifferentism (the belief that all religions are created equal). If honestly that’s the view we should agree with the Church, there’s no need for evangelism.

If everyone will have an almost equal chance of being ‘justified’ and have a place of heaven, then Christianity is not the true path to Christ. Becoz it would contradict the bible that no one can come to the Father except through Christ (which means declaring Christ as lord n savior n having true faith in Him). Of course I’m stating this in an objective statement, I still maintain the stand that we have no right to judge other people’s fate, God himself might have a diff plan. If he chooses to save a non-believer, who are we to disagree with Him? But objectively speaking, there is only 1 God in this world and to be saved means to accept Christ truly.

So this is where I struggle with, what’s the need for evangelism if we have to hold this view of indifferentism that the Church does hold (and is spelt out implicitly in the CCC)? We would be failing to carrying out fully Jesus command in the Great Commission in Matt28:19.

Any views?

***Any “equality” of religions in an absolute sense MUST lie outside of the Catholic Church fo three very good reasons:

1. Matt. 16: 15-19; Eph. 2:19-20;* clearly. specifically and indispuitabily Christ Founded ONLY one New Church; One new Faith, One New Covenant [in His Blood.]
2. All salvation somehow; perhaps to some mysteriously FLOWS through theis Catholic Church.
3. Salvation is very much connected to the Seven Sacraments ALL INSTITUTED by Jesus Christ, and ONLY Validly and Licity practiced by this same Catholic Church and the brances connected to Her.

While some find this not to be a popular view; it is Biblical and it is the SINGULAR truth.

" Many catholics" are sadly and precariously endangering there own salvation by not practicing the Catholic Faith, by chooing to acept ONLY what suits them personally in Her Teachings, and by expressing views that are contrary to Catholic beliefs. I point our with GREAT SHAME: the second largest “religious body in the USA; are fallen-away catholics.”**

 

[fbl9]

This is an area i struggle with.

The present day catholicism spreads the msg of some degree of indifferentism (the belief that all religions are created equal). If honestly that’s the view we should agree with the Church, there’s no need for evangelism.

If everyone will have an almost equal chance of being ‘justified’ and have a place of heaven, then Christianity is not the true path to Christ. Becoz it would contradict the bible that no one can come to the Father except through Christ (which means declaring Christ as lord n savior n having true faith in Him). Of course I’m stating this in an objective statement, I still maintain the stand that we have no right to judge other people’s fate, God himself might have a diff plan. If he chooses to save a non-believer, who are we to disagree with Him? But objectively speaking, there is only 1 God in this world and to be saved means to accept Christ truly.

So this is where I struggle with, what’s the need for evangelism if we have to hold this view of indifferentism that the Church does hold (and is spelt out implicitly in the CCC)? We would be failing to carrying out fully Jesus command in the Great Commission in Matt28:19.

Any views?

Maybe your priests should have a chat with the priests i know or have had for parish priests. As for those outside of christianity the most i can say is that their fate is judged soleyby God Himself.

 

[fhansen]

Hi all! Just wondering something.

If God judges everyone according to his lot in life, sort of like, what opportunities and gifts he has been given, then why would we really need to help others come to salvation anyway?

Excuse me for sounding despicable. Obviously I understand we need to help others come to salvation, but I guess I’m not making the connection very well.

For example, if God will judge a Buddhist by his fidelity to his conscience, then how would he be more likely to be saved if we brought him to Christ?

Thank you all!

God bless,
Koopa:thumbsup:

Where else would we come to the definitive knowledge, without the revelation of Christianity, that love must be placed on the highest level and that we should follow it’s lead in everything we do? And what better revelation, for ourselves and the world is that?

 

[puzzleannie]

Hi all! Just wondering something.

If God judges everyone according to his lot in life, sort of like, what opportunities and gifts he has been given, then why would we really need to help others come to salvation anyway?

Excuse me for sounding despicable. Obviously I understand we need to help others come to salvation, but I guess I’m not making the connection very well.

For example, if God will judge a Buddhist by his fidelity to his conscience, then how would he be more likely to be saved if we brought him to Christ?

Thank you all!

God bless,
Koopa:thumbsup:

there is only one Messiah, one SAvior, and we are not Him.
We are called by our baptism to evangelize, to spread the good news of the Gospel. We are like the sower in the parable, our job is to sow the seed.
There are others whose job is to prepare the ground to accept the seed.
There are others called to till, water, weed and tend the crop.
Still others are called to the harvest.
Our role is to discern our gifts and to which of these charisms we are called. We are ALL called to at least one of them. Our job is not to succeed in saving souls, our job is to be faithful in all things Christ demands of us.