What saint said this quote about hell?

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I remember reading a quote attributed to a Catholic Saint. It emphasized that going to hell is not a choice that God makes, but a choice we make ourselves. It might have been St. Faustina who said it, but I can’t remember for sure, and I’ve been unable to find the quote on the internet. The quote, as best I can remember it, goes something like:
No one will be dragged into hell kicking and screaming that there has been a mistake.
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Can anyone help me find a citation?

Thanks!
 
I don’t know, but the saying makes no sense. Very obviously, everybody who is assigned the fate in the first place will be dragged into hell kicking and screaming that there has been a mistake. 🙂
 
jbuck919 said:
I don’t know, but the saying makes no sense. Very obviously, everybody who is assigned the fate in the first place will be dragged into hell kicking and screaming that there has been a mistake. 🙂
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No that is wrong what you are saying, because when a soul goes to hell it goes because it has refused God’s forgiveness and love. It is therefore of that souls own volition.
(your quote)
everybody as you say, but it is right that ***NO ONE ***who is assigned the fate in the first place will be dragged into hell kicking and screaming that there has been a mistake. 🙂

Because God made mankind to His likeness we all have the capacity to gain God’s forgiveness and go to heaven. For a person to say a person is assigned the fate in the first place is a statement saying that the actions of that person are not forgiven by God because they have not seeked forgiveness. God’s wish is that ***all ***His subjects be rested in Heaven.

There is no kicking and screeming of a soul that has of its own will ended up in hell. However when in hell there are those who have screemed out for mercy. Jesus relates to this when He spoke of the rich man and Lazerus. When the rich man would not give Lazerus a drop of water. When he died Jesus said the rich man looked up over the craven to see Lazerus happy and he asked for a drop of water when he did not get this he asked to see his brothers who he said were bound for hell because of their actions.
 
jbuck919 said:
The past participle of “seek” is “sought.”
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Thank you but my english along with my spelling may not be accurate at times, however because this is not school work I believe that people would probably understand me enough torealise what I am sayng. If people don’t I apologise.
Onto the main topic.
I remember how Jesus said “where there is nashing of teeth, and the worms never stop going through your body”. I remember a book I bought a long time ago called “They spoke from hell”. It is a book by an American minister who was taken in the spirit into hell. He was to speak with those like Cane, Pharaoh, Ahab, Judas, and a host of other people who could have been blessed by God but chose to go against the one true God. You might be able to find it, it is well worth reading.
God bless
 
littleone said:
No that is wrong what you are saying, because when a soul goes to hell it goes because it has refused God’s forgiveness and love. It is therefore of that souls own volition.
(your quote)
everybody as you say, but it is right that ***NO ONE ***who is assigned the fate in the first place will be dragged into hell kicking and screaming that there has been a mistake. 🙂
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Because God made mankind to His likeness we all have the capacity to gain God’s forgiveness and go to heaven. For a person to say a person is assigned the fate in the first place is a statement saying that the actions of that person are not forgiven by God because they have not seeked forgiveness. God’s wish is that ***all ***His subjects be rested in Heaven.

There is no kicking and screeming of a soul that has of its own will ended up in hell. However when in hell there are those who have screemed out for mercy. Jesus relates to this when He spoke of the rich man and Lazerus. When the rich man would not give Lazerus a drop of water. When he died Jesus said the rich man looked up over the craven to see Lazerus happy and he asked for a drop of water when he did not get this he asked to see his brothers who he said were bound for hell because of their actions.

Actually I agree with jbuck919. Itis correct that anyone condemned to Hell goes there through their own choice while alive. They have rejected God’s love and die in unrepented mortal sin. However when they die and stand before God and suddenly realise their fate I would bet they will be dragged to Hell screaming and kicking.
 
May I ask you a question.
If a person goes to hell, do they go with god’s grace, still with the capacity to love God?
If they do then I would agree with you that there must be feelings that can relate to God to love and feelings of realizing their wrong towards God who is Love and be remorseful about that.

But if a soul goes to hell (and I believe this) with no love since they have died, and left the place where there is love, then how could they have the capacity to be remorseful about not loving God since in hell there is only hate?
We know that there is NO love in hell there is though remorse about not listening to God, about parents and others not teaching them about God. If there is no love, then a soul could only internalize their state of godless hate, against self, and all others. I believe that their state is one of complete anguish that never goes away from the state the soul is in.

Remembering that Jesus said that one day is like a thousand years in heaven (and in hell). Since hell is a state of spirit not flesh I believe we have to think not of flesh but of spirit.

When I said: when a soul goes to hell it goes because it has refused God’s forgiveness and love. It is therefore of that souls own volition.
(your quote) I believe that that is what you are saying isn’t it? which is what I also said, because I agree with your first point.
(quote) It is correct that anyone condemned to Hell goes there through their own choice while alive. I add, and hence will be their place of unrest when the body dies.
 
A.M.D.G.

I highly recommend “What Every Catholic Needs To Know About Hell” from St. Joseph’s Communications. It’s a forty-five minute video I watched in my Catholic young adult group last night.

One of the topics that came up during the course of the video was that although it is not in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, many theologians believe that the reason why Lucifer and his crew fell was because they refused to accept that Jesus would come as a man to save humanity. My question was this: did all the angels behold God in the Beatific Vision immediately upon their creation or was accepting the Incarnation a prerequisite for seeing God as He is?
 
DavidFilmer said:
I remember reading a quote attributed to a Catholic Saint. It emphasized that going to hell is not a choice that God makes, but a choice we make ourselves. It might have been St. Faustina who said it, but I can’t remember for sure, and I’ve been unable to find the quote on the internet. The quote, as best I can remember it, goes something like:
Can anyone help me find a citation?

Thanks!
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Actually it was Pope John Paul II who said it.

Jim
 
Isn’t it strange though that often we are likened to a fruit in a garden some strong in growth and others weak others in between. Jesus related to all plants, and yet we are told that it by our own desire that we tend towards heaven or hell.
Jesus relates to the seeds in the stones in a little amount of soil and then the others in much soil with nurturance around to cause growth.
But what of the children who don’t know Jesus and their children refuse to teach the children, what of them.
Are children condemned because of their own choice? What then of the psychological aspect, where the child’s learning is negative towards God because the learning from parents and pairs relates to a large amount of information that is held in the long term memory?
We all know how youth and adolescent behavior is related through learned patterns, positive or negative. How then does God’s mercy relates to where youth and adolescent go after death?.
 
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